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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Mr. Griffin referred to a figure of €30 million on top of the €176 million for the value of the MANS and the Enet investment. Can we clarify that the asset is still ours?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: There were questions raised about regulation at the start of the session. I want to get this question right because I do not want the wrong message to be sent from the committee. Am I right in saying that if the Department had intervened, it could have been seen as price fixing, as such? I am referring to the operators of the MANs. Mr. Griffin mentioned the market. Competition enters the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Some of it can be misconstrued. To my mind, if the Department had set a price, the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission would have been after it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I assume that the €100 connection fee has been set in order that everybody can have an equal bite at the cherry.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Therefore, somebody in Tyrrellspass can get it in the same way as a person in Dublin, for example. This means that a person living up the side of a mountain is not at a disadvantage and that a multinational is as likely to move into that area because the broadband service will be good enough. I assume that €100 is just a random figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is, but it is not in any way connected to the actual cost of doing the job.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Other factors might be meeting rock on the way up a person's driveway and boring costs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Which choice would be based on the aesthetics and reflected in their bill.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: On the cost benefit analysis and the figures not being placed in the public domain, one could argue that the benefits are not quantifiable at this point because we just do not know what is coming down the road. Is it correct to say any cost benefit analysis only presents the picture at a moment in time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes, the knowns. The question really concerns the cost of not doing it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is the analysis on which I would like to focus. It frustrates me a lot when I travel around the country and see massive advertisements for companies that will sort all of this out. On the figure of 757,000 premises, minus 300,000 plus another 80,000, the only amount we can take from the 757,000 is 300,000 because it is a like for like substitution. Eir was providing the same....

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Reference was made to that fact that no submission had been made on behalf of Eir or Imagine to do any more.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Obviously, because it needed to piggyback on it at various points. I see it as infrastructure for the future as opposed to providing home services. Any figure means that we are back to the moment in time issue. We do not know if there will be a massive growth spurt in some part of the State. The figures are all fluid, but, essentially, we are building infrastructure similar to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Was it not the case that the derogation concerned the type of contract?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What is the alternative?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: If it is a private company, however, then the process does not apply.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The contracts committee gave a derogation but it concerned the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: In this case, this is a private company. How would the Comptroller and Auditor General have jurisdiction over it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What is the alternative?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I have some questions.

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