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Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: That is not in the Bill.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: We are speaking on the Bill.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: The local elections are not in the Bill.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: The Chair is independent.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I call Deputy Healy to speak on the Bill. We are on section 1. We are straying a bit from it. Deputy Healy has not spoken yet so he cannot be accused of straying.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: We are on section 1. Could Deputy Healy stick to the Bill?

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I know but it is not in the Bill.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: We are on section 1.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I appreciate that but as the Deputy is well aware it does not relate to section 1.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I ask the Deputy to deal with this Bill as opposed to the Health Insurance (Amendment) Bill which will be taken later today.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I ask the Deputy to stick to the Bill.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Business of Select Sub-Committee (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I remind everyone present to switch their mobile phones off completely. Deputy Harris will be present in place of Deputy Mitchell O'Connor for the entire meeting, which has been convened to facilitate the taking of Committee Stage of the Health (Alteration of Criteria for Eligibility) (No. 2) Bill 2013. I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy White, and his officials, Mr. Matt Collins and...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Business of Select Sub-Committee (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: That is fine.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Amendment Nos. 1 and 2 in the name of Deputy Kelleher have been ruled out of order because they involve a potential cost to the Exchequer.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: As the Deputy is aware, the ruling comes from a higher being. Let me add, however, that said being is not the Minister. The Deputy has been a Member of the Houses for long enough to know how the system operates.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: To clarify, amendments 1 and 2 in the Deputy's name propose a higher gross income rate to be set as the threshold for eligibility for a medical card for over 70s from 1 January 2014 than is currently in force or than is proposed by the Bill. This could result in increased levels of eligibility for medical cards among this cohort, which could impose a charge on the Exchequer. An amendment to...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I am not going to enter into a debate on the matter.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I suggest that the Deputy, who is a long-standing Member of the House, take the matter up with the Bills Office rather than with the Chair, whose hands are tied.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Health (Alteration of Eligibility Criteria) (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I appreciate that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Prevention and Treatment of Lyme Disease: Discussion (21 Nov 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I thank Deputy Nolan, who brought this to our attention. I also thank all the people in the Gallery for being here this morning. You are all very welcome. I thank all the witnesses for coming here this morning, particularly Dr. Schwarzbach, who travelled a long distance to be with us. Today is the start of what we will examine. The committee will reflect upon our hearings today and we...

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