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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: I thank Ciaran and welcome Deirdre. We look forward to working with her. In the first session at 10 a.m. next week we will have the Small Firms Association and the Irish Schools Arts Supply Federation. The second session will be at 12 p.m. with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to examine Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform; Vote 12 -...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: The representatives of that office are appearing before the committee immediately afterwards. We are hearing first from those who are affected by, or have a view on, procurement. After that we will deal with the Accounting Officer and their staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: We are giving the opportunity to both organisations to give their views about procurement, why it is not working for them and how they have been adversely affected by the procurement process. Having dealt with that, as an example, we have other examples from previous hearings that we will be able to put to the Department's officials and to the section that is responsible for procurement. We...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes. We will suspend until 11 a.m. when the officials from the Office of Public Works are due to meet us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: I remind members, witnesses and those in the Public Gallery to please turn off their mobile phones. Witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to so do, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Mr. Quigley needs no introduction.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. McCarthy and invite Ms McGrath to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: It is a matter we could take up next week when we deal with procurement matters.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Let me clarify what Deputy Patrick O'Donovan was asking. In section 6.4 of the appropriation accounts, under the heading of "Services supplied to Departments and Offices 2013 (Subhead C9 Rents, Rates etc.)", a few examples include the Houses of the Oireachtas and the figure was more or less the same in 2012 and 2013, at €1.128 million. Does it involve repairs or rent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: To whom are we paying rent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: May we have an example? Does it relate to this building?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Where else? Is it located on Kildare Street?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Is Kildare House State-owned?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Does the figure represent the rent for the Passport Office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: How many other buildings are included? That is the point. That is part of the request for the information Deputy Patrick O'Donovan was tracking down. As an example, can the OPW provide a breakdown of the bigger figures for the Houses of the Oireachtas in terms of the location of properties and rents? The rented properties figure for the Department of Social Protection amounts to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Are there are a number of buildings and, if so, how many?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: Perhaps we might receive a breakdown.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: The figure for the Revenue Commissioners is €17.9 million. Does it also refer to rents?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John McGuinness: To enable me to understand it better, can we take the bigger figures and break them down for the properties on which the highest rents are paid. Are all of the leases in order? Are they for a period of 25 years or could we get out of them through get-out or break clauses?

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