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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: The expenditure detailed as central spending was discounted.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: What is the current stage of the process for reimbursement of those moneys?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: What is the timeframe?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: The last time Dr. Neavyn appeared before the committee, the issue arose of people questioning their superiors. Even this morning I heard a number of people speak about the difficult position in which it places individuals. This is very worrying for any organisation if individuals believe they are impeded from doing their job because of fear of the boss or the person at the top. I know...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Dr. Neavyn saying he will implement one or is he saying one is currently live and functioning?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: As we speak, the charter is not in place.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would have thought that Dr. Neavyn would have had a greater urgency about a whistleblower's charter, given what the institute has been through. This charter would be primarily for internal purposes but also it would be a way of trying to revive a level of public confidence, to show that the former culture does not persist. I would suspect very strongly that if there was that reticence...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: How long has Dr. Neavyn been in his position?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: I suggest to Dr. Neavyn that he does not delay any longer on this matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: The point I make about the operation of the organisation is designed to be in a more general governance and management sense and not just necessarily in respect of expenditure. I note some of the queried expenditure in respect of publicity and public relations. It seems this has been offset as it is not included in the claim against the former president. Did the organisation get to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was that another systems failure?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did Dr. Neavyn seek an answer?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would like to second the comments on Mr. Quigley and the work he has done. I want to go back to the issue of the reappointment of the former president. Dr. Neavyn said that his understanding was that that was not a recommendation from the governing body. On what does he base his understanding?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can Dr. Neavyn take us back to his initial appointment and the manner of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who was involved in that interview process in 2001?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Minister accepts the appointment on the advice given.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would Dr. Neavyn have any idea who was on that sub-committee in 2001?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: I presume the organisation has that knowledge.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. Ó Foghlú for that. The dilemmas between the various Departments, the HEA and the institute have been voiced and the term "systems failure" has been used repeatedly. We often hear that term at this committee. I would like to drill into the issues of individual responsibility and accountability for these matters. In the public interest, and notwithstanding systems...

Leaders' Questions (10 Oct 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: When "never again" is said on this occasion, it needs to mean never again. I suggest to the Tánaiste that this means that he ought to ask the Minister for Health, Deputy James Reilly, to explain to him, the Cabinet and to those of us in the Chamber how it is that only five out of 19 maternity facilities introduced the guidelines. We want to know why that is the case and the public...

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