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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. Harkness know the balance in the fund?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Most of the money that comes in gets washed out and through in due course? Okay. Those accounts have been published and laid before the Oireachtas. If any member has a particular interest they are free to examine them. The accounts have a clear audited opinion. It is interesting as I had not heard any details on that account before. Every day is a learning day.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the Comptroller and Auditor General audit the accounts of the Irish Aviation Authority?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Do they have a private auditor?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. We will come back to that issue. It is a bit like the RTÉ situation where some organisations-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: I submitted a parliamentary question to every Department under the aegis of the relevant Ministers in respect of funding provided to two organisations of over €1 million, and whether or not they are audited, and the proportion of those funds to their overall funding. have received replies but I have not gone through them all yet. I believe that the Committee of Public Accounts will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: What does the Deputy mean by "outsourced"?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: So Mr. Harkness will raise that issue at this morning's meeting? The next item is the work programme. Next week we will examine the cost of bank stabilisation with the Department of Finance and the special liquidators to IBRC present. I have asked the committee secretariat to put together draft headings for the new year. I ask members to examine it and contact the secretariat if they have...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Today's meeting deals with the Comptroller and Auditor General's Report 2016, chapter 16 regarding the regularity of social welfare payments, chapter 17 on the management of social welfare overpayments, chapter 18 the Department's review of welfare schemes and matters relating to social welfare appeals process and the social insurance fund, and the Vote insofar as it relates to these items....

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. Harkness. Mr. McKeon is very welcome.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is Mr. McKeon's first meeting as new Secretary General and Accounting Officer of the Department. I now call on him to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McKeon for his opening statement. We will address various items mentioned in it during the meeting. It is very interesting to get a picture of what is happening in the Department and people will be interested to hear that during the hours that Mr. McKeon is before the committee, there will be 430 meetings with jobseekers, 26,000 applications will be processed, 118,000 payments...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: To clarify, what is the transition rate from community employment to employment?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: A ballpark figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Before I call Deputy MacSharry, Mr. McKeon stated that people in JobPath companies had a chance of approximately 34%-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----higher of progressing into employment than had they not gone through that system. He said that system had better outcomes than community employment. When I asked him for the relative CE figure, he first told me that he did not know, but now he is saying that, according to the sector, it is approximately 40%.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McKeon has not shown us a material improvement. If there is a progression rate from community employment of nearly 40% whereas the other route's rate is 34%-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. McKeon understand the question?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: May not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

Seán Fleming: Out of the open labour market.

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