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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: If they are dealing with something mechanical, for example, and there is an element of design to it, no independent person can sign off on somebody else's intellectual property. It just cannot be done; therefore, it must engage with the subcontractor, even though the subcontractor has a claim against the Salmon Group. It is doing it because it has to in that case; however, it is not doing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: There is a serious risk that the NDFA is in breach of the law with regard to what is to happen. The Building Control Act stipulates clearly that the subcontractors must certify that their work is up to standard. We are creating environments in which children will be running around for up to eight hours a day where we will not have that certification. We have a secondary safeguard - the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: Into what is Mr. Cahillane going to look? He has said he will come back to us on a legal opinion on the Building Control Act and whether it is legal to have a single certifier to certify all of the work in the absence of subcontractors doing the work. Is that the case? Will he, please, correct me if I am wrong?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Cahillane will come back to us on that matter. Into what else will he look?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: I appreciate that, but this is not a shop being built in rural Ireland by a subcontractor for a company that has gone into liquidation. The State is paying for it. It will benefit from the work, while some of the subcontractors will go into liquidation or be left short by hundreds of thousands of euro. However, there is a solution. The company the State is asking to finish the works could...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: What is Mr. Cahillane's opinion on how the current process, in which the National Development Finance Agency is involved, complies with the European directive on construction products?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: Is Mr. Cahillane saying to the committee that the National Development Finance Agency is unwilling to look at the issue again in the case of Woodvale Construction and require it to satisfy all of the subcontractors who had previously worked on the project?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: When will Mr. Cahillane have those two opinions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: It would be helpful if we could have before our session on Thursday. Does the agency have any concern that the opening of the schools will be delayed as a result of the legal challenge on the basis that the National Development Finance Agency might be in breach of the Building Control Act?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: On that point, a damning report came out from the House of Commons this week which castigated the big four accountancy firms - KPMG and also the other three - because all of them were involved in work with Carillion. While the impact here has been severe in terms of the disruption to these school projects and, as we have discussed, the issue of subcontractors providing services and not being...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: What is the combined value of those projects?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: While some projects are completed, Mr. Cahillane said there are others where the physical infrastructure is built but the PPP projects continue as there is a maintenance or management role.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: How many staff are assigned from the NDFA to oversee that €5 billion to €6 billion programme?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: Regarding current or future PPPs, have any been announced in the last year? There is housing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: They are selected. There are a number of bidders in that regard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: In the education sector, €200 million of investment has been announced.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: Has the process begun in terms of expressions of interest?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: How can the NDFA ensure another Carillion does not happen?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: These are colleges. These are 11 projects across the country from Letterkenny right down.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Role and Operation of National Development Finance Agency: Discussion (3 Jul 2018)

Pearse Doherty: Some of those will take time to conclude.

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