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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: I do not have that in front of me. To be more specific, I am saying that the increases in current expenditure that build on other increases in Government expenditure that we would not have made for 2019 are at least €115 million. I have given the Deputy the example of the Revenue Commissioners. If further needs develop and I need to make further resources available, I will do that....

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: I will see if we have information with regard to the Financial Services and Pensions Ombudsman. I am confident that this will make a big difference to the list of appeals to the Tax Appeals Commission. I accept that the list is too large and needs to change. I believe it will make a difference because the additional current resources I am making available here are to hire more case...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: I thank the Deputy. On his four points, he has already acknowledged the planned legislative change that is under way. Key to this is the fact that the Central Bank (National Claims Information Database) Act was enacted last year. It will make a contribution to dealing with our understanding of this issue, which in turn will help in dealing with the issue with premiums. I will give the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: As I said when I gave the commitment to assess the matter, decisions on how and when the Revenue Commissioners implement the law are decisions for them. I said this at the time in question and later in the Dáil. Consultation takes place on the development of policy but the Office of the Revenue Commissioners is the only body charged with implementing it. As I said to the Chairman, I...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: I would imagine these are the Departments that were not listed in the other figures I gave. I listed the Departments of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, Business, Enterprise and Innovation and Foreign Affairs and Trade. I have already given members the figures from my two Departments. I would imagine the information pertains to the rest of the Departments.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: That would primarily be staff and any ICT costs.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes, but the majority of the technology costs sit in the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine and the Revenue Commissioners. I would anticipate that the IT component of the other figures will be very low in comparison.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: I thank the Chairman, he is very kind. The officials will rotate as needed.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: How could answering that question be consistent with the independence of the Revenue Commissioners, which the Deputy has just recognised? It was a great question.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: It was really great. It was short and loaded. On one hand the Deputy agreed with me that Revenue is independent and, on the other hand, he asked me to agree that it would be helpful for it to defer the date of implementation. How does he think such a statement would go down in Dublin Castle?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: We are in the early phases of such work. As the Deputy knows, the target date for the tax strategy group papers is the summer. We have begun the early work on that area.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: The short answer to the Deputy's question is yes, it could help. The challenge we have, however, is that this is a very complex area. The Deputy knows this. There can be a world of difference between the VAT rate on an ingredient and the rate on a processed product which includes the ingredient. We are seeing if there are ways in which we can do this work even more quickly than we had...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: We are now evaluating the further proposal which was put to us by the industry. In particular we are evaluating whether it is consistent with EU VAT directives. We have received a proposal and it is being looked at as we speak. Only this week my officials in this area met a company that has been one of the lead voices on the issue. Work in this area is further advanced in terms of the tax...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: That will depend on all the other issues raised with me at that point. We will have an Estimates process later in the year. If a case is made for this to be one of the top priorities for An Garda, then I am sure we will find a way of responding positively. When I sit down, before and after the summer, with representatives from the Department of Justice and Equality, however, I am sure...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: As I said, I will respond positively to whatever recommendations come from the Garda, on this and other matters. When I sit down with the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Flanagan, however, he will have many priorities he wants to see funded. If An Garda Síochána states this is a key area it wants to work on and if the Department of Justice and Equality supports that, I...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes, I do. If the Revenue informs me, however, that additional issues are developing, further work needs to be done and more resources are needed, I will respond to that request quickly. We are going to be in a completely new territory in a no-deal scenario. I expect things will happen, particularly in our supply chains in what will be an utterly unprecedented period, that may mean the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: We have already taken account of the regional dimension of a no-deal Brexit in capital decisions already happening. For example, I gave a higher priority to the opening of work on the N4, which is happening tomorrow, because of what Brexit could mean for the north west. That is the best and biggest example of how we have made changes in our capital plan to try to deal with the effect a...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: It is just over €14 billion.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 11 - Public Expenditure and Reform (Revised)
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Revised)
Vote 14 - State Laboratory (Revised)
Vote 15 - Secret Service (Revised)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Revised)
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office (Revised)
Vote 19 - Office of the Ombudsman (Revised)
Vote 39 - Office of Government Procurement (Revised)
(21 Feb 2019)

Paschal Donohoe: Yes, it does.

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