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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: Do the witnesses think that a similar investigation should take place in this country?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: In terms of the relationship, I ask that this committee recommend the referral of the statutory audit market to the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission. We must stop the nonsense that is going on with these audit companies. Such companies are many steps removed from the people described by my colleague who appeared before us earlier and are broken people because these big audit...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: They pay them for the audited statements. When they pay them, even that relationship itself, in the absence of independent audited advice-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: A Chathaoirligh, can we look at this as a finance committee? I believe we have a responsibility.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: If we can, please. Can the witnesses please correct or guide me regarding the public service benchmark that was used? In bundle 3, the public service benchmark was €177 million and for the PPP, does it turned out at €411 million over the 25 years. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: Has the public service benchmark for bundle 5 been released?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: On those figures, was it €177 million for the public service benchmark-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: Mr. Cahillane should do that on those two figures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: On bundle 5-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: When will they be released?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: What is the capital value of the school bundle 5?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: What is that value over 25 years?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: Surely people need to know how much they are paying. Mr. Howard talked about value for money earlier on, the taxpayers' money, and citizens' money that is being used.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: We hide behind commercial sensitivity again-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: -----as we do with so many of these things, which I believe is totally off. While I hope we can have another round of questions, I will finish with what I believe to be important point on the problems that are being caused as matters stand, with students being expected to sit in schools and the Department of Education and Skills abdicating responsibility on the issue of stolen property....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: If I supply or sell Mr. Cahillane something, there is no point in paying somebody else for it and saying it is paid for. I would not have received my money. Something is not paid for until the person receives his or her money.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: With regard to Sammon Contracting, Mr. Cahillane said earlier that Carillion were paid up to 31 December. Does that mean that everything, including, for example, materials supplied on 29 December were paid for?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: All was paid to Sammon Contracting, everything that was supplied was paid for-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: Did the witness do any due diligence on Sammon Contracting? The NDFA must have been informed when Sammon Contracting was taken on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Rose Conway Walsh: Did anyone at within the Department or within Government look at Sammon Contracting to assess its stability? No.

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