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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: Were they taken into consideration in the HSE's analysis?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: The HSE identified through the established supplier of ventilators that it was able to procure 581 ventilators.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: On 21 March, the Department sanctioned the purchase of 1,900 ventilators. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: Was a business case prepared by the HSE for the procurement of 1,900?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: There was analysis and a discussion, but a business case-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: So there was no business case prepared for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: There absolutely was public anxiety at scale-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: -----but that is no way to plan for emergency situations.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: Absolutely not. Sanction was given for 1,900 ventilators. Ultimately, orders for 3,500 ventilators were made. Who sanctioned that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: So we put in orders for 3,500, expecting to get-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: At the time of the HSE's surge capacity planning, looking at ICU, staff and all the other resources needed to operate an ICU, how many ventilators would the HSE have been able to operate or man?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: In the region of 328 is what-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: What plans were being made to bring the figure up to 1,900? The hope was to get that number of ventilators. What actions had been taken to get additional oxygen and to put in place the additional beds and teams, including ICU teams?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: Of the ventilators that did arrive, a sample test was done on 100. Is that correct? How many of them were deemed unsuitable or not up to the necessary standards?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: The normal procurement procedures led to a 40% or 41% failure rate in ventilators.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: Regarding the ventilators with which there were issues and that did not arrive, the Department or HSE is now trying to recover €22.3 million. There was €8.1 million deemed unrecoverable. What does unrecoverable mean, and where are we at in terms of the €22.3 million we are trying to get back?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: With regard to the overall approach, we know proper planning and procurement were not in place. There was an effort to procure 3,500 ventilators without the approval of the Department. Does Mr. Mulvany agree there was a breakdown in command and control at senior level within the HSE around the whole process of dealing with the response and the procurement of ventilators, PPE and the hand...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: I want to look at the issue of the emergency departments, EDs. What is the average waiting time for someone who presents in an emergency department?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: Sorry to cut in but I am conscious of time. There is a figure that the average waiting time is about 12 hours.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

John Brady: It is considerably higher than the six hours.

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