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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I understand that. I am trying to be clear on this. There was a shared services strategy plan in 2012.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: When exactly was the division developed? Was that in 2012?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: The division was dealing with payroll at that stage.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I understand that. The plan was developed in 2012 and the division was established in 2014. Now we have a separate office which is not under the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and of which Ms Murphy-Fagan is the Accounting Officer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: It has been up and running for four weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: When the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Mr. Robert Watt, announced the shared services strategy plan, he said there would be savings of €50 million. Can Ms Murphy-Fagan give the committee a breakdown of how much exactly has been saved since the 2012-14 period, when the plan was drawn up and the division was established? How much has been saved...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Perhaps Ms Murphy-Fagan will give us the headline figures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I understand. I am just looking for the figures for the moment if Ms Murphy-Fagan has them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Where does that figure come from?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I mean who came to the figure of €21 million? Is that a Department of Public Expenditure and Reform figure, an NSSO figure or does it come from somewhere else?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: There was a unit within the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform which came to the figure of €21 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Who did it? Was it in-house or external?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Did Deloitte provide a report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: There is no need to be uncomfortable because this was announced with great fanfare. No one disagrees with the concept and logic of shared services offices and streamlining and professionalising services. We were told a €50 million savings figure would be achieved and I am trying to understand how much has been saved up to now. Ms Murphy-Fagan says it is €21 million and I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Murphy-Fagan is quoted in a newspaper report from December 2015 as saying that savings in the Civil Service alone come to €34 million a year.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Why is that different? Earlier, I asked for the saving and it was €21 million. Where does the €34 million come from?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: As such, the €34 million has not been achieved yet. It is an estimate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Was there a Deloitte report that underpinned some of those figures or did this come from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform alone?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: I understand that but what we had in 2012 was a statement from the then Accounting Officer that there would be a €50 million saving. In December 2015, Ms Murphy-Fagan said there would be a €34 million a year saving. It is now €21 million albeit there is still more work to do and finance has yet to be transferred. I understand that. Obviously, however, we have a job to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

David Cullinane: Were all of those people seconded from different services in Department or did the office have to recruit?

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