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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We need that information from the agency.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Chair might include that in the list of data we are seeking from the agency. Was there a top-up or buy-out of pensions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I asked a number of parliamentary questions going back some time. A complaint was upheld against a member of the Prison

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What kind of disciplinary action?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What are the ranges of disciplinary actions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The numbers for complaints in 2017 have been given to the committee. If the State Claims Agency settles on an amount for a claim made by, say, a prisoner, does that appear as part of the Vote for the Prison Service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: As a prison is a dangerous environment, it is inevitable there will be some occupational injuries in the Prison Service. I note there are no injury warrants. Why does the Prison Service not handle injuries in such a manner?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: People can be offered modified duties but only if there is a position open. If not, the person continues on sick leave. Is that the case and would there be many people in that category?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Would there be many people at the moment who are not able to return to work in any capacity because there is not an available modified duty position?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: They would not be allowed to stay on long-term leave.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Prison Service is not like other Departments as there is not the same risk in other Departments. It appears that the treatment does not recognise the risk involved. That is part of the reason I was asking about injury warrants because that has a bearing on the legitimate expectations somebody has if he or she starts out in the Prison Service that he or she will continue to work there...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When one is counting the number of prison officers, does one count the full complement? Does one count the number that are out or the number that are on modified working arrangements? How are the numbers calculated?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Are the Prison Service's numbers likely to differ from those of other Departments because of the nature of the work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Right. I will move on to something else and ask about the prison shops and restaurants. What prompted the Prison Service to remind the voluntary mess committees of the governance responsibilities? Are they captured on internal audit? Do they have a separate tax number? Is there an external auditor? Those are the type of questions that suggest themselves to me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: They have a separate tax number and they are subject to internal audit.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Who audits them? Do they have an external auditor? I presume they do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: For example, who buys the food? Does the Prison Service buy the food? Do the committees buy it themselves? Is a profit made? How many mess committees are there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I do not dispute that. What I am trying to explore is how it is managed; whether there are Revenue obligations if there is an income from it; and if there is a crossover with the Prison Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Part of the reason I am asking this is that we had a colourful inquiry about the Garda College in Templemore. I do not think we take any of these things as miscellaneous add-ons. We want to be sure that all funds are properly managed and that good governance is adhered to. The mess committees may not be companies.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Do they operate under those rules?

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