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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Yes, but when I asked Mr. Jacobs the question, he answered that the work would take three years. I am not saying it cannot be done in two and a half years. Rather, Mr. Jacobs told me it would take three years and that planning would take two years. Based on that advice, we are talking five years before the 40 million cap will apply. Yet, based on last year’s growth, I think we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs is hoping the permission from Fingal County Council will provide that the DAA will not have to have everything done before the is cap raised. For example, it could be raised once the piers have been done or the new stands or whatever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The board is not thinking beyond a 40 million figure but it will need to do that soon. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs mentioned that he thought it would be tactically helpful to have the land the DAA does not have between the two runways. If the DAA owned that land today, what would it do with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Are remote stands where aircraft park after they have unloaded or where they pull up to have people bused in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is to the credit of Dublin Airport and its predecessors - Aer Rianta and so on - that the land was bought 30, 40, 50, 60 or 70 years ago when people probably never envisaged Dublin Airport growing to what it is now. Did An Bord Pleanála ever rule on whether transit and transfer passengers should or should not be counted and whether they should be counted as zero, one or two passengers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Never. Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Deputy Matthews. I call Deputy Smith.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Deputy Farrell wishes to come in for a few minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Deputy Farrell was not here at the start of the meeting. I made it clear to everyone, and committee members will know this, that this meeting was all about the cap and how to deal with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is okay. I just want to make sure the Deputy knows that we specifically did not agree to talk about the north runway or anything to do with the north runway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is fine. I just needed to make the Deputy aware of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is again the north runway stuff.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: None of us is allowed to make charges, so the Deputy should be careful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Would the Deputy like to let Mr. Jacobs back in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I will help Deputy Farrell and confirm that the DAA has never sought clarity from Fingal County Council as to whether that is okay with them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I will come in here. I am not sure if anyone has asked this question and I have been here through the entire meeting as, to be fair, has Deputy Smith. How many transfer passengers are expected to go through Dublin in 2023? If it is 3 million, are we out by 3 million? Is it 1 million or 7 million? What is the number of transfer passengers going through the airport, whether you count them...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Transfer journeys if you want to call them that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I heard stories before, which are maybe anecdotal, that 40% of transatlantic traffic was transit traffic. I thought that would have been more than 1 million. Maybe it is not, because Mr. Jacobs also told us it is one of the biggest airports in Europe for transatlantic traffic. Will he come back to us with how many transfer journeys are going through, whether or not we count them once,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I will certainly put it on the work programme for the committee to decide what we do. I do not do things on my own, but I am certainly happy to put it to the committee to agree that.

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