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Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: I ask for the protection of Leas-Chathaoirleach against the misrepresentation of what has just been said.

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: The point I was trying to make was that in all of these months until now, it has not been suggested by anybody that the only meaning of independent is independent of Government. Anybody looking at how legislation is operating would know that it would have to be somebody who does not have skin in the game. I conclude by asking the Minister to reflect on the fact that he does not just do his...

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: -----start to listen to both sides on the abortion issue. I say that as respectfully as I can, but the situation is very serious and regrettable.

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: Does the Senator want the full report?

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: I wish to speak to this section. My question is prompted by the meaning of a part of the section. I listened very carefully to what Senator Boylan had to say about listening to women. I agree 100% that we must never tire of listening to people on all sides of this issue and to people who have had personal experiences. I am certainly open to that, and I can understand that people might...

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: No.

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: It would still highlight something very dramatic, though, would it not?

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: So it does not matter how wrong we get the legislation.

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: There is a lot of space in the middle between those two extremes. I think Senator O'Reilly will agree with that and take my point.

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: I am up for that.

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: What about advising?

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: I thank Senator Higgins for trying to give me reassurance and I respect what Senator Pauline O'Reilly has to say. However, if it were to be the case that only people who are in favour of legislation in some form would ever make observations about the unsought side effects or unforeseen consequences contained in a particular legislative proposal, we would not be doing our job at all. I am...

Seanad: Safe Access to Termination of Pregnancy Services Bill 2021: Committee Stage (10 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: -----then it would be very much caught by this legislation. What the Senator said does not offer reassurance to anybody who thinks it would be wrong to criminalise a person for simply expressing a view to a third party, such as a party who happens to be involved in the provision of services in a hospital across the road from where the conversation is taking place. This shows that the...

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: I think "defend the indefensible" is the phrase the Senator is looking for.

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: Any advance on that deep concern?

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: And condemn China for what it has done.

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: The Government amendment-----

Seanad: Uyghur Tribunal: Motion (9 Feb 2022)

Rónán Mullen: Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. I am not one of the people who generally condemns Éamon de Valera or de Valera's Ireland. De Valera was a very gifted man and did many things that were good. It is generally accepted that perhaps a low point was when he called on the German Embassy at the end of the Second World War, when Hitler died. To give de Valera his due, he waited...

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