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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: The Crowe Horwath report merits further examination by the committee. I note that the secretariat circulated to members a note detailing outstanding issues in the education sector generally.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: A number of other issues remain to be addressed by the committee. For example, correspondence has been received from Mr. Seán Ó Foghlú, Secretary General, Department of Education and Skills on the religious congregations. We must also deal with the audit of the Kildare Vocational Educational Committee and the report on Waterford Institute of Technology. I ask for a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: We will need at least one full meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: I have a different understanding of the position. I understand a report was completed, at least in draft form, and sent to the Higher Education Authority, HEA. It then had to be legally proofed. I do not know whether changes have become necessary as a result of communications between the legal representatives of the HEA and the author of the report which was submitted to the HEA in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: When Mr. McCarthy refers to working on a report, is he saying there is already a draft report?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: We should do more than note it. I was astounded when I read the correspondence because it was specifically the CEO of Nursing Homes Ireland who had written to us to alert us to what his organisation regarded as increased costs in public nursing homes. We need to remind ourselves that very serious allegations were made against Nursing Homes Ireland about price fixing and the running of a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: We had the spotlight on this issue and, unfortunately, it is not the first time we have been here with a section 38 of a section 39 company. My understanding is that the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General carried out a broad report on this issue last year which touched on some of the governance issues. The findings of the Console report, which we might discuss in the work...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not convinced that the HSE has faced up to all of its responsibilities here, but to be fair, if Mr. McCarthy has noticed from his perspective a shift in terms of better governance and better oversight, that is good. We have a lot on our work programme but it might be useful if we write to the director general of the HSE and ask for a detailed note on exactly what improvements have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. McCarthy made an important point in respect of the timeframe. If this was from 2012 to 2014 and if improvements have since been made and we have examined it, then we need to put that caveat out there in terms of this organisation. That is an important point. From recollection of our exchange with the director general, however, section 39 organisations might receive only 5% of their...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: From an accounting perspective, I can fully understand how one would and could label it as non-Exchequer funding sources. From a financial or accounting perspective, that is fine. We know there are multiple income streams, separate from State funding, for institutes of technologies and more so for universities. The difficulty, as Teachta Kelly said, is that there is an added liability to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: We should.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: If the Chairman would ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to print out a copy of every organisation in which there were procurement problems, he could probably fill the room with paper.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Why have they not done that? Have they given any reason?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: On that point-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Can I hold on that issue for one second? If they have not given any reason and they have essentially ignored us and just said that they have not done it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: At this point we are not aware of it. Can we write to them to find out why?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Was Cork one of the ones that put up a robust defence that they should not have to consolidate?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: We have no way-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Normally when we hope for lighter correspondence, we get more.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: In any event we will see what will happen. The report we got from the secretariat on third level issues is helpful. However, five more have been handed to us today.

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