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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: If the officials did not detect it in this case, what confidence could we have that it would be detected elsewhere?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: I accept that the HEA has improved since freedom of information requests exposed what was happening. Has the HEA done any look-back on what was happening in other third level institutions at the same time as this was going on in Waterford?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: But there never was any much indication of what was happening in Waterford either.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Only after the FOI information became available.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Could Mr. Ó Foghlú answer the same question please?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Are issues worrying Mr. Ó Foghlú?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is there anything in particular at the moment that Mr. Ó Foghlú would like to share with us?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Perhaps we will have to come back to it later. We are aware that things are going to happen. Could Mr. Ó Foghlú just tell me whether in his experience it is not extraordinary – Mr. Ó Foghlú accepted some of the blame himself – that one has a situation where one has a board, an internal audit committee, staff, an external audit committee, a governing body, a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Okay. I thank the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Following on from Deputy Mary Lou McDonald's question, why did the institute need all these PR people?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Will Dr. Neavyn tell us about Bance Nolan?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is it a one-man operation or something larger?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is it a small or large company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Dr. Neavyn indicated that Bracken PR is based in Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is it a large company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Would Dr. Neavyn be surprised if it turned out to be a one man and his dog type of operation?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: The size of these companies could be material to finding out how all of this happened. Questions arise as to whether there was a personal relationship between any service provider and the person or entity availing of that service, as Deputy McDonald outlined. There is the question of whether companies which did not go in for a competitive tender should have been selected at all. One...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: We have established that these contracts did not go to tender. Did anybody ever challenge the president on these items of expenditures? People must have been aware the guidelines were being breached.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is Dr. Neavyn aware of any challenge to the president on any ground of breach of governance?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: By whom were those queries raised?

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