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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Then this statement is clearly incorrect. The Comptroller and Auditor General does not check all compliance matters.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The minute claims that Mr. McCarthy draws our attention to any instance of non-compliance, but he made it clear previously that he-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Comptroller and Auditor General will provide an information note to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The statement by the Accounting Officer of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is inaccurate. We will note that and inform him of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Last week, the Comptroller and Auditor General produced an information note on this topic.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are coming to that matter. Some of the other recommendations touch on non-compliance and the Department has responded and outlined what it proposes to do, including a financial penalty. What the Deputy and Mr. McCarthy have been discussing will be discussed shortly. Recommendation No. 35 related to Dundalk Institute of Technology's overseas contract, which has been put out to public...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----back onto the State balance sheet because of the nature of their funding. The exact same discussion is taking place in respect of all the approved housing bodies. At the moment they are the panacea for everything because they are off balance sheet. The CSO says, "Hold on, that classification has been re-examined." We therefore want a note from the CSO about these things so we can-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes. The reason for that is that if 50% of their funding comes from the private sector, probably through private funding from outside the State sector, they are in the private business of providing services in the private sector. The big universities in England, for example, would receive much more in private income than in State income. Perhaps ours was a European approach to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is a bit like the Deputy's friends in RTÉ, about whom he talks substantially. It is the exact same in RTÉ.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: All their borrowings would come onto the State balance sheet.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: I think the CSO is more worried about liabilities and borrowing than assets. We do not put the cost of every road in the country on the balance sheet-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----to my knowledge, we do put the cost of what we borrowed, that is, a bit of the road, on our balance sheet.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: It does, and that is why this is a timely and important question and why I have homed in on this paragraph. In response to recommendation No. 89, it is stated that a review of the practice in respect of sabbatical leave is to be commenced in the fourth quarter of 2017. We want a copy of the circular referred to in the response to recommendation No. 95. The response to recommendation No. 101...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The sectoral committee should follow up on that. Is that agreed? Agreed. Perhaps it was sent to that committee anyway. If it was not, we will forward it to the committee. Correspondence No. 1027 is from Professor Richard Thorn providing an update on the Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board investigation. He expects to complete his report by the end of the month. We note...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: If that is in the letter - if there is a reference to the CEO - we will address the letter to the chairman of the board rather than send a letter to the CEO.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Correspondence No. 1033 is from the president of NUI Galway providing a note on the non-competitive procurement of €600,000 worth of goods and services and steps being taken to prevent non-compliance in the future. Can we note and publish this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Do the Deputy want us to write back and ask that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay. That is fine. The next item is No. 1042, correspondence from Deputy Catherine Murphy. Since she is not here, she has asked us to hold that over until next week. Correspondence No. 1043 is from an individual who has made a disclosure under the Protected Disclosures Act to the Minister for Education and Skills. The person is employed in the Institute of Technology in Tallaght. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the person has said that a protected disclosure was made.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is for the Work Place Relations Commission to make that decision and not this committee.

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