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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have had an interesting and helpful meeting. I ask members to agree to dispose of Chapter 10, shared services – management of salary overpayments, the appropriation accounts for 2016 and Vote 18 – National Shared Services Office. Is that agreed? Agreed. On behalf of the Committee of Public Accounts, I thank all of the witnesses here today from both the National Shared...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are about to adjourn so the Deputy can comment now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does the Deputy want to raise her issue after we finish this meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Fine. We will now adjourn until our next public meeting on Thursday, 8 February at 9 a.m. where we will meet the Department of Rural, Community and Development to discuss Chapter 7 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report on dormant funds. We will also be joined by representatives from the Department of Children and Youth Affairs, the Department of Justice and Equality and the...

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Schools Building Projects Status (1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: 102. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills when a sports hall will be provided for a school (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [4997/18]

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Quarrying Sector (30 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: 324. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation the position regarding blasting of rock with explosives in quarries; the guidelines issued to the relevant persons in relation to overseeing these matters; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [4369/18]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Hospital Investigations (30 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: 454. To ask the Minister for Health if the case surrounding the need for a person (details supplied) to have surgical treatment which has been delayed as a result of a disputed administrative error on behalf of the hospital they were attending will be investigated; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [4479/18]

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are joined from the Comptroller and Auditor General’s office by Mr. Séamus McCarthy as permanent witness to the committee and he is accompanied today Ms Patricia Devlin, senior auditor. Apologies have been received from Deputy Marc MacSharry. Are the minutes of the meeting of 18 January agreed? Agreed. Are there any matters arising? One issue arises regarding the periodic...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will note it and forward it to the commission for its consideration. I do not propose that we open new ground on the Grace case given that the commission is up and running. Is that agreed? Agreed. Members are, however, free to discuss the correspondence, although the committee will not do so formally.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: it will examine 47 cases, of which the Grace case is the first.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: I propose that we send the documentation to the commission in case it is not aware of some of the information provided. As I stated, once the correspondence has been noted, members are free to follow up on any issues that may arise in a manner that they believe to be appropriate. The committee will hand over the issue to the commission as I do not believe we should start addressing new...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: I propose that, in addition to sending the correspondence, we send a transcript of this part of our meeting in order that the Deputy's views are conveyed directly to the commission. We will send the transcript when it is received in the coming days. We have stated several times that none of the members accepts that this was an independent report. It was a report commissioned and paid for...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: As a result of last week's meeting, at which we discussed the State Claims Agency and the cost of legal fees, we are in the process of writing to the HSE to seek a progress report on the implications of its open disclosure procedure and how the procedure is working out. When we receive correspondence on the matter from the HSE, we will have a basis on which to follow through on the points...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We disagreed with him.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The transcript of our comments will be communicated or forwarded to the commission with the documentation we have received. It will then be up to the commission if it wishes to take the matter further. No. 1,000, dated 28 December 2017, is from Mr. Neil McDermott of the Higher Education Authority and contains information on expenditure on consultants and legal firms by third level...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are agreed on that. We will certainly return to this topic, in particular, as part of our review of the education sector. Deputy Cullinane will send in a note suggesting how we might go about it. I understand Deputy Kelly has requested additional information on the same topic as well. If both Deputies send in their views, we will discuss it again. It is an issue that will certainly...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General could explain if this is primarily an issue for third-level institutions or does it affect other sectors. Will he give some of his observations to assist the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform's statement that doing this would be too complex and infeasible is damaging to the public sector. If any business gave that answer, it would not remain in existence for long. We reject the notion that it is too complex.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We only have one issue to decide. Obviously, we will take this matter up. We will probably revert straight to the Department. We want the list of all of the spin-out companies. When its Accounting Officer is before us, this will likely be a specific item for discussion. It was mentioned that two reports are in train. We want them to be submitted to the committee as quickly as possible....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will agree to that and move on. That was just the first, but main, recommendation that we needed to discuss because it was the only one that was not accepted. We will write back to the Department saying that we reject the notion that "it is not feasible to ascertain the specific attribution of all of the relevant activities and costs". It is not beyond the ability of the public service...

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