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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: No work. And did you at all, when you had initially looked at the ... in Project Atlas 1, you reported on that on was it 27 September, am I correct?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Second week of October. Did you advise the Financial Regulator and the Government that there was a need for more in-depth review of the loans of the banks?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes, but you still relied on management for Atlas 2. I mean, you relied, we'll say, on the ... did ye do any, I suppose, drilling down that, we'll say ... the fact that, subsequently, we'll say, there was results done by the Financial Regulator back in 2011 ... 2010-11, where it showed that the banks needs €24 billion. The question I'm asking is: being the professionals that you are,...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Okay, Mr. Walsh.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is it fair comment that the 4% potential reduction ... fall in the value of commercial property that you sought from '08 to 2011 in Project Atlas 2 grossly understated the fall in property ... commercial property as it happened over that three-year period, and if you had put in any ... what level of fall in ... in property prices would have given rise to a situation where you would not have...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: I suppose, the question I'm asking-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is a very simple question, Chairman.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, but, Chairman, I just want ... It's very simple. The 4 ... what level, if it had been 6%, 10%, ... at what level would all the banks have breached their core tier 1 requirements and you would have stated that the banks needed capital?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: At 4%?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: So ... but you didn't say that.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can I refer back to Vol. 1, page 5, and can I direct Mr. O'Connor and Mr. Walsh to scenario analysis, scenario 1 and scenario 2. Am I correct in saying that ... is scenario 2 the higher case scenario? Is scenario 1 or 2 the worst-case scenario? I know they don't want to use the worst-case but just-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Scenario 2. The commercial corporate, you've ... speaking ... you've looked for a 1.5% reduction per annum in scenario 1 and a 1.25% in scenario 2. Why are you taking a lower reduction in scenario 2 rather than scenario 1 for the corporate?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Sorry?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: But you put a 4% reduction over three years, which is only about 1.25% per annum, more or less, there or thereabouts, and the commercial corporate made up the bulk of the majority of the loans. So how could you do a scenario 2 look at ... that you have a smaller reduction in the value of commercial property, rather than scenario 1, when scenario 2 was supposed to be the more worse-case...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: But corporate commercial lending was the majority of the lending; particularly certainly in the Anglo case it was the majority-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: The question I suppose I want to ask is that commercial property was falling in price from, really 2007 into 2008, well above the 4%, and the two questions I have are the logic for using 4% against a backdrop of real time where the fall in commercial property was higher, and secondly, if you had taken a realistic figure would the banks, and would Anglo Irish Bank, have required capital?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes, but, Mr. O'Connor, the viewpoint would have been that scenario 2 was a worst-case scenario when, in fact, in terms of commercial property you've actually gone for a lower reduction in the value ... fall in the value of commercial properties in scenario 2 rather than scenario 1. It, kind of, doesn't appear to be logical in terms of analysis ... a base of analysis.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is it logical on the basis? It's a critical point, Chairman.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: The question really I suppose I want to ask is: you used a figure of 4% for a fall over a three year period when the fall over that period was of the order of over 60%. Property was already falling well above 4% alone in 2008, and when you looked at a worst-case scenario you actually increased the value of commercial property rather than reduced it, so the logic why-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Kieran O'Donnell: What was the reason for that?

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