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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Ms Murphy-Fagan might also explain why the separation took place, if she can.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is the Department that has come up with the €21 million, not the NSSO.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: That way, I too would be particularly happy that this is not being outsourced. It is being totally handled by the public service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: There is no equality there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: I think Ms Murphy-Fagan is saying that because people work so long and hard in the Oireachtas, it is a special case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have a few questions. The balance of overpayments outstanding at the end of 2016 was €4.6 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: What is the comparable figure for the end of 2017 approximately?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: I knew I did not see the figure anywhere.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am going to ask Ms Murphy-Fagan to come back with that figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: There are smiles all round on the witnesses' side of the table.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Where was the value put on the overpayments based on the calculation made?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: At the end of 2016.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: To be fair to Ms Murphy-Fagan, she may, when sending us the note, put comparable figures with comparable figures. To an extent, the €4.6 million highlighted when the figures came out was only part of the picture. It relates only to overpayments the NSSO was processing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: In fact, the figure across the public service and Civil Service was approximately €7.5 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is a substantially higher figure. The figures are all in now so the witnesses will be able to give us very soon a figure for 2017. I believe Ms Murphy-Fagan has already said she calculated the level of overpayments and the figures for the plans, and that she sent the details to each of the organisations. Does she have that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: But she does have it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: But she will be able to give us that figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: All we will be talking about is the 124,000 people. We are fully conscious that the figure we are going to get excludes the HSE, which has 105,000 or 110,000 people. It excludes up to 90,000 Department of Education and Skills staff and it excludes the 30,000 to 40,000 in local authorities.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Could we have a breakdown of the overpayments by organisation? The NSSO must have it because it must report back. We are interested in determining which Department is the biggest source of the problem and whether that Department has a problem getting its stuff to the NSSO. I am sure the NSSO is on top of it but we have not go there today. This committee needs to drill down below the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 10: Shared Services - Management of Salary Overpayments
Appropriation Accounts 2016
Vote 18 - National Shared Services Office
(1 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Hold on. We cannot wait until 30 September.

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