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Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: When Mr. Gunning suggests that it is the same amount, therefore, that is not true because there is a penalty of almost €1 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Is it fair to say that the error of using the wrong system, or the "misclassification", as Mr. Gunning calls it, has cost the taxpayer €1 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Obviously, it has come back to the Revenue Commissioners. However, it has cost the project €1 million. That is a significant sum.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Given all the legal and governance advice available to the NPHDB, why did the hospital board which deals with construction contracts not explore the possibility that the RCT system should have been retained? Mr. Gunning spoke of 2018, whereas the date I have is 2019. Why did the board not sit down with the Revenue Commissioners to discuss this until that date?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Is Mr. Gunning saying that the question had not arisen until he raised it?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: The reason to have the board is for it to be the legal vehicle for managing the contracts and the financial arrangements around them. Was this not discussed at the very beginning of the contract?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Was that the opinion of the internal staff or was it the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Is it the case that no external legal advice was sought when that decision was made?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay. I will move on to the increased costs claims. I have some sympathy for the NPHDB in this area. It is well known that contractors often tender for something and they make their profit through the process of increased costs claims and wearing people down along the way. By and large, the NPHDB has fought many of those claims, with some success. I am fearful that we might be rushing to...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay, so I-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I am interested in the process of how that is done. When the decision is made to do that, what checks does the board put in place to ensure that what has been claimed by the contractor is physically in place on the ground?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: She examines the work on the ground, on-site and the condition of the outcome.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: She is independent.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: That work is then taken at face value.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Something like-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I take Mr. Gunning's point. Something like a building management system will have huge levels of complexity. Even the detailed measurement of the components of that system could incur a very significant cost. We have seen here how building sizes have been measured incorrectly and have incurred huge costs for the taxpayer. My question is on the specific measurements of those works. Are...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Unfortunately, I am due to ask a parliamentary question, which will save two minutes. I might come in for the second round.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I am glad.

Written Answers — Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht: Sports Events (19 Oct 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: 29. To ask the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht for an update on her Department’s work to ensure that Dublin is prepared to host the UEFA Euros 2028 tournament, particularly in relation to sufficient tourist accommodation. [45219/23]

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