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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: What is the timeline for construction?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: For all the works the DAA is requesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The airport has lost revenue on that. It was probably counting towards its night movements, but it was not doing anything for the terminal building or doing anything other than earning revenue from use of the runway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Was it part of the 65 movements at night?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is the Senator's local airport.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The Senator can ask about flight plans but not about the runway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is it about how we count to 32 million?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We should not anticipate the planning authority's ruling. We had a presentation last week which was quite useful. Deputy Smith was there as well. There is all this talk about the buildings but the cap is all about how one gets on and off the campus. It does not seem to make reference to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It might be useful for those who are based close to the airport, including Senator Doherty and Deputy Smith, to get a list of all these people and try to iron out issues with Mr. Jacobs. He might agree, in the fullness of time, to meet some of the groups which say they have not met him yet, perhaps sooner rather than later, so we can avoid this type of interaction and have better relations...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I am not doubting that. I am saying there is a perception from Senator Doherty at least that some people do not feel they have a great relationship with the DAA. Let us try to improve that situation. It happens in all parts of the country.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: In situations where relations are not ideal, sometimes all it takes is a conversation or a chat, and a bit of working together, to improve.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Theraison d'être of this meeting is that I asked for it. We wanted to discuss the cap of 32 million passengers and its potential to have the airport closed on 15 December as a result of somebody coming along and saying the cap had been exceeded and no more people could come into or go out of the airport. Is there a definition anywhere of how a passenger is counted? Why are these...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA has decided, rightly or wrongly and it may be completely right, not to include the Ethiopian passengers who transit. The people who stay on the plane do not get counted at all. Is that correct? I note that is a moot point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: -----but they were not being counted for the cap.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA has not included them. If those flights were arriving until October, the DAA did not count those passengers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The passengers were counted once.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: They are treated the same.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: There are no longer any fifth freedom transits in any event, so that is now irrelevant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Everyone else is then counted twice. Counting transit passengers who do not get off aircraft only once and counting all the other passengers, where does Mr. Jacobs think the DAA will be on 31 December this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA is seeking permission to increase the limit to 40 million, potentially in two years’ time. Building will take another three years. It depends on whether Fingal County Council decides that the DAA can have a cap of 40 million as soon as it grants the permission or only after the DAA has completed the work. With two years needed for the planning application and a further three...

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