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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Vacant Housing Refurbishment Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I thank all the witnesses for their presentations. I will make a general comment before I focus on the presentation by Engineers Ireland. I wish to stress that the purpose of this Bill is never to minimise fire or disability standards and I stress this every time I speak on the Bill. The purpose of the one stop shop is to try to harmonise three different processes into one. The fire and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Vacant Housing Refurbishment Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: We agree with that, and that is why this Bill equally says that when the one-stop shop approval is secured, that process can dictate the number of inspections to be carried out on a project. We all know the type of work we are talking about might be a very simple or very complicated piece of construction work. Some might not involve any construction work at all; perhaps a fabric change is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Vacant Housing Refurbishment Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I suppose this goes back to the intent of the Bill. We might have to look at the exact wording. We are saying that the works permit will include a fire certificate and a disability certificate. This means that the very same process which is gone through today will have to be gone through under the system we are proposing. I will take on board the point that it is probably not realistic...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Vacant Housing Refurbishment Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I thank Mr. Hynes for his contribution. We all have the same overall objective. Technical guidance documents would assist the fire officer to deal with the certification of applications. It comes back to the fundamental issue of independent inspection and assigning an independent inspector. It should be throughout the whole construction period. We sometimes question whether we should...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Vacant Housing Refurbishment Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: If a site is only inspected once by a local authority, that will be included in the percentage even though the site should be inspected a number of times. There should be a number of independent inspections, not just one.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Vacant Housing Refurbishment Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: They are issues.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Business of Select Committee (27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I do not know the full history of this case but how can something like that happen today? A developer can manage to build 44 apartments for which there was no planning permission and which did not meet building standards.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Business of Select Committee (27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: A building with 44 apartment units was built without planning permission and nobody was aware of it.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: Is that a forecast?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I note a review of the local property tax is currently underway. I would like to focus today on the local authorities' baseline in respect of which LPT plays a huge role. The baseline was established approximately 20 years ago and it has not been reviewed in any significant way in the interim. Many counties, particularly those around Dublin where there has been significant growth in...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I appreciate that and I fully understand the reason for the equalisation process. However, a number of counties have concerns in regard to the baseline and there needs to be clarity brought to this issue. Wicklow County Council is complaining that it is being disadvantaged as against other local authorities. There needs to be more transparency brought to the baseline figure and how it is...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: What is the timeframe for the baseline review?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: Fair enough.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: As a commercial water rate payer and being from the most expensive county in the country for water, I was looking forward to the harmonisation process for the commercial water charge. While public consultation is very important for everything, a two year window to try to reach a decision on this is a little long. In fairness, we have known it has been coming for quite some time so what is...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: This morning the Minister of State, Deputy Phelan, appeared before this committee in respect of new directives for An Bord Pleanála. We were discussing the strategic housing development, SHD, process. It was identified that a number of applications were failing the pre-planning process. We were trying to understand why they are failing. Is one of the reasons they are failing the lack...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: While I appreciate that, the majority of the 49,000 tenants availing of the housing assistance payment, HAP, want a permanent solution and do not want to live in private rented accommodation. I agree that a percentage of them want to live in a private rented accommodation. While HAP is a necessary scheme, it involves spending a large amount on a short-term solution to a long-term problem....

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: I forgot to mention with regard to the housing assistance payment, HAP, that there is an increase of €200 million in the current expenditure programme. I know we sometimes question the value of money put into HAP. Equally, we saw landlords jumping on the bandwagon because HAP will give them a greater monthly rental than they currently achieve. We all need a percentage of HAP but...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: That report is still not available to us. I am trying to remember what the figures were at that time. I believe there were just over 1,000 units mentioned in quarter three. Is the Minister confident that he will make up the 2,000 shortfall in the last quarter? They are not available to us so we cannot-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: Is the Minister confident that figure will be reached?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government (Revised)
Vote 16 - Valuation Office (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
(27 Mar 2018)

Pat Casey: On the builds for next year, the target for which is 5,869, the Minister has already indicated that 900 will be purchased from the open market. The Minister said after the budget last year that he realised that the State buying from the market was having an influence and that he did not see that as a sustainable move going forward. However, the proposal to buy 900 houses this year is still...

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