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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I echo what was already said. I compliment Dr. Brady on making an honourable and professional contribution to us. I am well aware of his advocacy on the pro-choice side and he acknowledged that, which is an honourable thing to do. I am aware from the accounts of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties that it has received between €7 million and €8 million from Chuck Feeney,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Would that other groups that have appeared before the committee yesterday and this morning had taken the same professional approach Dr. Brady has taken - unfortunately they did not. Dr. Brady spoke about the C case. Would he agree that the European Court of Human Rights allows a relatively broad range of discretion to countries and certainly from a time perspective it does not rush...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Second, with regard to the X case on which the Irish Council for Civil Liberties is strong,-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: ----- yesterday it was outlined to us that 97% of diagnoses for predicting suicides are false positives therefore if we legislate for the X case we do so knowing that in 3% of the cases, the person would probably have gone on to commit suicide and therefore it complies with the spirit and the law of the X case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Equally we now know that in 97% of those cases we are going to abort healthy babies-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: ----- who are entitled to protection under our present constitutional position simply because suicide ideation-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: ----- is not able to be predicted with any degree of accuracy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Yesterday we had a good consensus from the medical experts that current medical practice was very good if only it could be statutorily underpinned. The contentious issue is that of suicide. Despite what the delegates opposite are saying, the clear evidence yesterday from the professionals in the field was that it was very difficult to predict the outcome for a patient who presented with...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: On a point of order-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Will you allow me to raise a point of order briefly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: It is not about the Bar Council but about giving the Irish Council for Civil Liberties two hours. It is a pro-abortion group.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: That is an opinion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am not interested either.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (9 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I spoke to the clerk last night about the content today, but what we are getting is opinions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I wish to put a question to the obstetricians. I understand that when a person with suicidal intent who is beyond a certain gestational period is being treated, efforts are made to made to induce the baby and save the baby's life. Are we saying prior to that gestational period being reached, the baby's life will be forfeited and the treatment will not take place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: I am trying to find out whether the treatment that would be done post-viability could be applied to the earlier stage. As one of the witnesses said, a person who feels suicidal one day might not feel suicidal the next day. Could we try to bring the woman through such a situation to the gestational stage at which the baby could be induced safely?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Thank you, Chairman. As we come to the end of the first day of hearings, we can be reassured about the very great degree of confidence in the quality of our maternal health care. In fact, Professor Greene started by talking about women availing of the very high level of health care on offer in this country. I welcome the statement of the obstetricians and gynaecologists that outcomes and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: It is not. It is very pertinent.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: That is not true.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Implementation of Government Decision Following Expert Group Report into Matters Relating to A, B and C v. Ireland (8 Jan 2013)

Jim Walsh: Perhaps Dr. Mahony would respond to my questions.

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