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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: How can the Department determine if mistakes were made in the Department? Ms Licken accepts some mistakes were made. Is that solely on the basis of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report or on her own observations? I am struggling to understand how, given the scale of the public money that was invested in the project, Ms Licken's Department, which was responsible for line management...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Something written down is very important for this committee because it is what allows us to determine whether or not the Department is taking it seriously and whether or not the Department in accepting mistakes were made. Somebody's opinion when he or she comes into the Committee of Public Accounts is all well and grand but a report is something much more substantial. I suggest if there is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Licken talked about it earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Given the Department does not have its own report-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: The Department does not have its own report and Ms Licken cited the Charities Regulator report. When she was asked earlier, she said the Charities Regulator is examining this which is the reason the Department has not done any work.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: It is one of the reasons Ms Licken offered up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Licken must be aware, or at least she should be, of what exactly the Charities Regulator is examining.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Will the Charities Regulator examination look at potential failures within the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: If Ms Licken does not know, then potentially we have another examination-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Just one second. I am trying to be fair to Ms Licken as an Accounting Officer. Whatever examination the regulator does, as Ms Licken said, is a matter for the regulator. Ms Licken has made my point for me. It is doing its work to look at compliance in different areas. What I am trying to establish is what examination will be done to look at potential failures in the Department. What we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: When will the post-project review be carried out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: What will that review specifically look at?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: I am still not clear about what the regulator will look at, by the way. What will the Department-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: That was my point. It is not necessarily looking at the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Perhaps is not good enough for me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: What I am saying is I have no difficulty with the regulator looking at whatever it looks at. Ms Licken is the Accounting Officer for the Department. With regard to what a private organisation may or may not have done and what mistakes it made, we should let the regulator do that job. In terms of public accountability, Ms Licken is the Accounting Officer for the Department. She said her...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Licken said in response to Teachta O'Brien when he asked questions about the absence of supervision that there was not a total absence of supervision but there were failures. What was the Comptroller and Auditor General's observations or findings on the lack of supervision?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Galway Art House Cinema
Vote 33 - Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs
(29 Mar 2018)

David Cullinane: Would Mr. McCarthy accept there was some supervision but it was not adequate?

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