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Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Departmental Bodies Data (26 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: 506. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of quangos operating under the aegis of his Department; the total number of directors sitting on their boards; the aggregate fees incurred by the State in paying the remuneration of directors of these quangos; the number of quangos that have been created since the formation of the Government; the number that have been disbanded over...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: If there is a paper trail, we should see it. There is an extraordinary conflict of evidence. It is really very stark. Mr. Ó Donnchú and Mr. Quigley state nobody in the Department knew anything about the matter, that there is absolutely no question of any communication on this issue and that there was no sanction. Is that not correct? The chairman of the National Gallery, said...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: I thank the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: We want the paper trail on both sides and any correspondence between the two. Would that be okay?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Was anyone in either Department asked for advice? Maybe the two officials present were not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Of any sort?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Would Mr. Ó Donnchú agree with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: I do. Nor am I aware of anybody in our Department being asked for specific advice on the interpretation of the removal expenses component of the sanction.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Could the chairperson of the National Gallery tell us who she contacted?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Is there a paper chain? Is it in writing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Can Mr. D’Arcy tell us who they are?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: I do not see why the name of the accountants the National Gallery used should be privileged.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: What advice did they give about this payment of €40,000? Did they advise that there was tax due?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: The Revenue Commissioners judge it as income.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: There is income tax payable on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: I disagree. I would say that the Revenue Commissioners judge it as income and that is why they are levying the tax. If it was not income the National Gallery would not have to pay the tax. If it was a legitimate expense the gallery would not have to pay any tax on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Correct. That is why the gallery is paying the tax on it. This looks to me to be undoubtedly a top-up payment under another guise. Whether that is right or wrong, it is probably better to be up-front about it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Yes, certainly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: Thank you, Mr. D'Arcy. That is absolutely fine. This money comes from what the board calls its non-Exchequer income is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15 - Staff Appointments in the National Gallery of Ireland
Vote 34 - National Gallery of Ireland
(21 Nov 2013)

Shane Ross: How does the board divide its non-Exchequer and Exchequer income?

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