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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is quite right. The figure could be higher.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: That list of agencies is in the chapter from last week-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----but the big areas not included, and we went through this, are the HSE, local authorities, the Department of Education and Skills, the Garda Síochána and the Army. They are the big areas, and the Oireachtas.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: The National Shared Services Office.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: There are; we just got the 40 Votes, the appropriation accounts. None of the State agencies under every Department are included in this figure. This is strictly the departmental Votes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Organisations such as Horse Racing Ireland or Bord na gCon are not yet included in this figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: A special report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: They are overpayments.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is correct that it is the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We made it very clear last week that we knew that the HSE and teachers are not included in the figures provided. I forgot to mention that the local authorities are also not included. They took the view that there might be a risk to the State to have all 300,000 public servants paid through one centre. It is probably no harm not to have everything under the one. That is probably a strategic...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will include that as well. The point is that perhaps we should have started at the beginning of the previous meeting with the overall picture and then homed in, rather than homing in first and then realising the overall picture. We have more or less thrashed it out now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We could include it in the periodic report for the spring that we will issue probably-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We can have a specific chapter on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will write to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform in the meantime. We are writing to the HSE because of the scale just to get its numbers. It is something the Comptroller and Auditor General covers in his annual audit. Having looked through the 40 Votes the Comptroller and Auditor General highlighted in the schedule, I found it troubling that there were 1,068 Revenue cases...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: As a first step, we will write to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to get the rationale in writing. When we get that, we can then decide-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will ask it to outline the overall strategy on the National Shared Services Office and who was to be included and who was not to be included. We will get that in writing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. When we get that we can discuss it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have agreed what we are doing there. We have reached the final item arising from the minutes. We will hold this one over. We also asked the Comptroller and Auditor General to give us a report on the compliance with public procurement. It became crystal clear at last week's meeting that when the Comptroller and Auditor General highlights €500,000 or €1 million of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (8 Feb 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Comptroller and Auditor General gave us an excellent schedule of overpayments by Vote. Can he dig out the same figures from the appropriation accounts for the non-competitive procurement?

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