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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: This is one I have been waiting for us to receive. When we inquired into the issue, we got a note back with a little box ticked saying that they had gone through the procurement process. We asked what the procurement process was, specifically around some of the contracts. The largest one would have been for the fencing and security. Essentially, what they are saying is that confirmation...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It has money in it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There are also other entities that are not State entities such as pensions and so on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is not an insignificant issue, either, even though it is not State money. Going back to what happened with Anglo Irish Bank, part of the reason people said there was Irish interest in it was that there might have been pension funds or credit union funds, things like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is a strong link, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The more opaque something is, the more concerned about it I become. If there are very clear straight lines, it is transparent. The two names are very similar and we are being told we are misunderstanding this. It is a very similar name. In fact there is a certain amount of State money involved in this and there are people who have a stake in it through their pensions.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That means it is very important to make sure those investments are robust. If they fail, the State picks up on the other side.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is great that we have money that has been invested.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What does Mr. McCarthy mean by "gearing up"?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does it mean they need more than one person?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: In this case they need one staff member.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is it the general sector that is beefing up, rather than the City of Dublin ETB?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The City of Dublin ETB will not have its own internal auditor but the function will be available to them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We always said we would deal with the Kildare-Wicklow ETB issue when the report was published.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We only saw that yesterday. The former CEO has now retired. At the time he committed to appear before the committee subsequently. I know there is another investigation. Is he being asked to come in?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I understand that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform would set this out for others. We are telling that Department what is in its own circular and that Department is supposed to make sure other Departments and agencies understand what is in the circular it issued. That seems extraordinary to me.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: On a general point, the previous Government and, I presume, the current Government agreed to an open Government approach but it does not feel as if that is the case here. I accept there are reports that can be commissioned for a particular purpose. However, in terms of informing us but also in terms of the estimates of public money being spent that help to inform an understanding of what...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We could find ourselves in the newspapers for overusing our ink cartridges.

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