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Ceisteanna - Questions: Programme for Government (8 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: 15. To ask the Taoiseach if he will provide an update on the programme for Government. [5853/23]

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Departmental Data (8 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: 225. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if her attention has been drawn to the case of a person (details supplied); and if she will make a statement on the matter. [5909/23]

Written Answers — Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth: Child and Family Agency (8 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: 290. To ask the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth if the case of a person (details supplied) has been drawn to his attention; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [5908/23]

Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) Bill 2022: Second Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I welcome the opportunity to examine the Bill. The Minister will be aware that I raised this issue on several occasions in the past year. I welcome the introduction of the Bill, which has long been sought by gardaí and their representative associations. The Bill provides for the use of body-worn cameras by gardaí and the expanded use of ANPR technology. It also contains...

Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) Bill 2022: Second Stage (Resumed) (2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: That is Deputy Ó Cathasaigh.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I welcome the witnesses. It is good to engage with them again. I will stay with the private nursing homes. I understand the HSE is tasked with the management of the health repayments scheme. It was referred to in the Comptroller and Auditor General's reports at various times. The most recent accounts were signed off by the then CEO, as Accounting Officer, Mr. Paul Reid on 26 November...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The Department is, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Is the Department able to shed any light on that? I think it is 2013 since the Department has been handling the cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: That is under note 9, as the Comptroller and Auditor General outlined in his statement. Will Mr O’Grady state from 2013 onwards how many cases have been settled?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Did Mr. O’Grady not think that was topical and look at it in advance of this session?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Will Mr. O’Grady find it and furnish it by the end of the meeting? It is a long session, as the Chair said, and we are breaking at 11 a.m., so maybe that information could be found. I referenced €32.5 million in administrative costs for the scheme between 2006 and 2020. This figure includes almost €4 million in legal and professional fees. Will the CEO confirm if...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The €32.5 million is only for the administration of what they were entitled to as per the legislation. For anybody who took a case who was outside those parameters, there is additional cost associated with that. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Can the CFO shed any light on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The Department does not have the number of cases, but does it have the figure for the cost of defence or litigation in relation to the scheme or to those who fall outside the scheme? Does it have a cost, at all, of any legal fees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I appreciate the witnesses have some figures. However, it is a pity, given the public comment and comment within the Houses of the Oireachtas on this issue and the fact it was given in the briefing in advance of today that it would be raised that they do not have the breakdown. Mr O’Grady said 13 in 2020. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I understand the Attorney General is preparing a memo for Cabinet on the legal strategy employed by the State, Department of Health and HSE to defend these claims, which is due to be published next week. It has been reported there are two substantive memos detailing legal strategy in this area, one from 2011 and another from 2017. I am conscious of the CEO's time spent in the role, but is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: In terms of the 2021 liability, €1.7 million was calculated for the health repayment scheme. The estimated provision for the repayment scheme was €1.7 million spent in 2021, while only €486 million of the estimated scheme cost of €1 billion has been spent to date. In December 2021, the figure was €486 million, which works out at an average of nearly...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Okay. I return to the applications to the scheme. There were 35,417 applicants and 20,302 claimants received payment. The witnesses have alluded to people outside the parameters of the legislation etc. Were any refused for reasons other than legislative? Was there a bulk reason for refusal based on certain criteria? Are the witnesses aware of any other criteria applied for refusals of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The CFO commented on the €1.7 million. The website states a few complex cases are still being processed. I understand those complex cases are being dealt with by the Department of Health since 2013. The HSE has no more hand, act or part in this scheme at all. It is all the Department of Health now. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Does the HSE have an average payout per the scheme for claimants? Every case is obviously different as per stay etc., but is this working out as an average per claimant?

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