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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How important is internal audit?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Would Mr. Ó Foghlú say it is critical?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: In spite of this, there have been shortcomings - let us not put it any stronger than that - in terms of the capacity.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Has Mr. Ó Foghlú a round figure for the spend of the VEC sector?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is not an inconsiderable amount of money.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There were amalgamations which bring their own issues in terms of the bedding in. I refer to the amount of training that is given to board members on understanding their role in terms of them being there to not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: -----agree with people but to conflict sometimes.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What statutory role does the ETBI have?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I will ask Dr. Keyes about the risk register for the Kildare-Wicklow ETB. Is that public?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I can understand that there are different matters that would present as a risk in terms of the educational aspect and the internal governance of schools, etc. Specifically, on the administration of the ETB, what would typically crop up as a risk?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I am only looking for a highlight, that is, three or four different matters. We are short on time.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Kelly would have gone through that risk register with the board. He would have teased out all of those issues. Is Mr. Kelly satisfied that is a working document?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of the code of governance, is non-adherence to it something that was identified as a risk?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Reputational risk has been the biggest risk to the ETB. I would have thought that was almost top of the agenda. In 2010, the accounts led to a special report on what I accept is a different organisation, but a constituent part of this. There is now a special report on the 2015 accounts. We are talking about 2015 accounts in 2019 and we do not know what has happened and how the...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Dr. Keyes committed, as CEO, to address issues in relation to matters such as conflicts of interest and protected disclosures. Is that work ongoing? It is complete? Where are we at with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What metrics and markers are used to determine progress on change?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I will pick up on that point. Mr. Ó Foghlú told me earlier that the because the report was done, the Department was paying particular attention. How was that the case? The Department was relying on it being in the media, it was relying on it being in the public -----

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I asked about confidence earlier. I was referring to confidence in the Department in relation to the 2010 accounts and the 2012 special report. The Thorn report after that repeated some of the failures and shortcomings from the 2010 report. I was asking about confidence in the Department's role regarding this. It is not a disinterested party. There is a lot of money channelled through...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Yes it is about confidence. Can Mr. Ó Foghlú say that he can express confidence in his role as Accounting Officer? Is he confident that he did everything that he could possibly have done to avoid this? Is he confident that the special observation that was happening did occur and, if so, and it was the case that a special eye was being kept on an area where there had been failings...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is a what?

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