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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Can Mr. McCarthy provide a note on the list of projects outlining the position, both in 2018 and now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is fine, if Mr. McCarthy sends us a note. I am merely trying to be efficient with the time available to me. Going back to Rebuilding Ireland, I wonder about the estimate for the Rebuilding Ireland home loan, which is a welcome initiative. Where did the estimate of €200 million over three years come from? Kildare, Fingal, Meath and Waterford, for example, have all exhausted...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is further analysis being done on how that has played out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I presume that will work its way into policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Secretary General talked about social housing supports. Are hubs included in those social housing supports?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Homelessness continues to be an incredibly serious issue and we saw yesterday's figures on that. What does the Department count? From the point of view of value for money, we are looking at hubs, beds in hostels and hotels. Some of what are described as beds are actually mats rather than beds. I refer to the cold weather initiative and so forth. How is that broken down? Some of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I just want a breakdown covering hotels, hubs, cold weather initiative, etc.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It would be very useful to have those figures. The Secretary General referred to some local authorities using LPT receipts in the area of housing where the allocation exceeded their baseline. We will deal with this in the afternoon. How many local authorities are in that category?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Where there is a surplus beyond the base line, it is used in two areas: roads and housing. Would some of those nine local authorities spend the money exclusively on roads? Which ones use it for both roads and housing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Maybe we could have a list of those, showing the amount of LPT receipts going to housing. We will have another discussion on the LPT and the baseline this afternoon. The amount budgeted for private housing grants in 2017 was €34 million and the amount spent was €44 million. The Secretary General has stated that it is a demand-led scheme. I have seen it work very...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is not very clear. The budget was €34 million and the spend was €44 million. Did the €10 million come from LPT?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I still do not see where the-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Returning to the housing inclusion supports at A5, the Estimate was €112 million and the outturn was €118 million. This primarily deals with homelessness. The report states, "Additional expenditure of €11.4 million arose due to the increasing demands for homeless services such as the provision of emergency accommodation." From where within the Department's budget did...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That €100 million was specifically aimed at homelessness.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I thank the Secretary General. On the approved housing bodies, we had a very useful session last week with the Irish Council for Social Housing and another agency. They talked about the possibility of being able to leverage funds from other sources. Some of that relates to putting it on a statutory basis. I understand that is obviously in the policy area, but the Department will be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Brexit is holding up an awful lot. That will be very welcome when it happens. Does the liability under the capital assistance scheme rest with the Department or the local authority, or is it part of general Government debt? Are the local authorities still counted as part of it? Where does the liability rest in this instance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Therefore, it is really at Department level.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I want to go back to the projects. As I was a member of a local authority for approximately 20 years, I appreciate that it can be difficult to get projects over the line. Mr. McCarthy might give us a synopsis of the general problems in getting projects like the provision of Traveller accommodation over the line. The amount of money available is relatively small. Does the Department engage...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Would many of the things that emerge not be obvious before a local authority makes an application for funding for a scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(28 Feb 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It would be true to say this is for Traveller-specific schemes.

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