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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: What form did that investigation take?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I fully appreciate that in a process such as this that the identity of the person making the allegation is a matter of confidentiality, and even, perhaps, the fine substance of the allegation. However, I do not accept that the process by which the matter is dealt with is or should be in any way confidential. What happened between April and December?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: On what basis?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is part of the system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: So the Commissioner appoints an assistant commissioner to examine this matter -----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It takes between April and December to carry out this work and the Commissioner cannot describe for me, in terms of process, what that involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Eight months.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Eight months on a single allegation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Four allegations revolving around one individual.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It took eight months for an assistant commissioner to examine this and he reported back to the Commissioner eight months later

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: And the Commissioner is not in a position to describe what it was, I do not want to know who precisely was spoken to or ------

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Commissioner is not in a position to tell us what that eight month process involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: How does the Commissioner account for the fact that the two whistleblowers, or one or other of them, were so frustrated by the autumn of 2012 - I am surmising - that they had no option but to approach Members of the Oireachtas with this information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Certainly, and I raised this mindful of that but also of the fact that this committee is in receipt of further material. The Chairman referred to one or two particularly serious instances where question marks arise over court dates, where we are advised there was no court date, etc. I take the point that the PULSE system is not a comprehensive account of any individual case. That is a fair...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Our only means of assessing whether revenue was lost to the State is to establish whether the processes and yardsticks for writing off these penalty points was proper and all the i's were dotted and the t's were crossed. That is why we are talking about this particular matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Callinan is the Accounting Officer and the man in charge. There is no doubt there, but he is reporting to us on the basis that he is not comfortable with this as a forum to deal with the detail of these allegations.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sorry, Commissioner.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: He is reporting to us in a context where we are disadvantaged by not seeing the full documentation. Therein lies the dilemma. I suggest a mechanism by which, on a sample basis, we might resolve that issue. I do not question Mr. Callinan's responsibilities as the Accounting Officer to come before this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Perhaps we might use that mechanism, given that Mr. McCarthy has carried out a similar exercise before.

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