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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Discussion (29 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: That is one of the best answers I have received so far since I joined this committee. It is so important that we educate our children and students. Will the Department have a look at adoption? It is very important. The Department has a massive catchment area and I think it is a preference instead of having an abortion. I thank the witnesses.

Social Welfare Bill 2017: Second Stage (Resumed) (28 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: The Social Welfare Bill 2017 is concerned with putting into law the measures announced in budget 2018 on 10 October, which are due to come into effect on or after 1 January 2018. These include measures to provide for increases in the maximum payment rate for weekly social welfare payments and with proportional increases for claims of reduced rates and qualified adults with effect from the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: I welcome the witnesses. One of the main concerns many people have regarding abortion is that we would end up like England and Wales, where 90% of babies diagnosed with Down's syndrome are being aborted. The witness's paper talks about how prenatal screening is being offered to women from 2017 in order that there is a better chance of detecting Down's syndrome in the womb. We know from...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: I was talking about choice. Does Professor Pajkrt believe that choice is more important than the life of a baby with Down's syndrome?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: Professor Pajkrt mentioned a very strong word earlier, namely, protection. She said there should be protection. I also believe there should be protection for the unborn baby. My concern is that when there is screening, such as in the UK, there are more and more incidences of abortion. In Ireland approximately 120 babies are born with Down's syndrome annually. They are loveable children....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: Does Professor Pajkrt agree with the Minister's statement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: I have spoken here of the need for us to examine positive alternatives to abortion such as providing better support to families and the need to improve the adoption process. I am disappointed that we do not seem to be interested in ways to save babies' lives while at the same time providing better supports to women. Professor Pajkrt's paper referred to how women seeking abortions should be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: We can continue when we come back. I am near the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: I have just one question left.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: I know that. I thank the Chairman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: My second question, yes, but I am on my third question now. There seems to be a contradiction in what Professor Gevers is saying. On the one hand, the law in the Netherlands states that abortion is a serious matter and is not seen as a routine medical procedure. As such, there is something different about it. On the other hand, the baby's life is still ended by abortion. Does Professor...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Obstetric Medicine in the Netherlands: Professor Sjef Gevers and Professor Eva Pajkrt, University of Amsterdam (23 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: Does Professor Gevers agree that there are two people involved, namely, the unborn and the mother?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: I think the Chairman mentioned that our first witness, Dr. Patricia Lohr, was in a hurry to catch a flight. I am not trying to be smart but, to me, that is not a good start to the committee meeting today. How much time do we have to ask questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: The reason I asked that question is because this witness has come all the way over here today and it is very important that we all get an opportunity to put questions to her.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: Deputy O'Brien mentioned my name and I just want to say one thing in response-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: Deputy O'Brien mentioned my name. He mentioned three names.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: He mentioned three names.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: There are other things that Deputy O'Brien-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: Just one second, Chair.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Business of Joint Committee (22 Nov 2017)

Peter Fitzpatrick: He has admitted it.

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