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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: We can bring forward a draft report that we will present to the Minister in a short format. We can then discuss it and members can decide on recommendations, such as the one Deputy Deasy is putting forward. It is clear, in the context of all these reports, that there is a crisis in the management of the HSE. No political system or Minister could manage the HSE the way it is. It will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: These accounts are to be noted. The work programme is now on the screen. The clerk is providing us with a dossier on the information that was brought forward at a briefing session last week. That will be ready for us in the coming week. I presume that after it is made available to members we should make it available to the Department before our meeting with it. Is that on 16 June?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: We should make it available to the Department so that it is fully aware of the content of the dossier. In the course of our discussions and briefing, it was said that a recording was available to members if they wished to see it. I ask the clerk to make that available to any member who wants to view it. A date can be arranged on which a number of members can view it, or it can be reviewed...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: We will just flag that for the Department. Are there any other issues arising?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: At present the funds of the Office of Wards of Court are not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General, which is a question Deputy Ross raised at a previous meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: We have recommended in our draft report that the board should be examined in terms of the Courts Service. What was the Deputy's question?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: I do not think it was taken up as an agreement to ask them in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: Was it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes. On the day it was mentioned, it was taken as a suggestion rather than a proposition.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: I was not here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: I was not here and I am reluctant to be led by Deputy Ross.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: If we have agreed to invite it in, the question is that the office is not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Whether we can invite it in and see whether it will come in is another matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: It is not accountable to us, so presumably it is accountable to its own auditors.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: Members have decided that we should write and invite it in, which we will do.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes. We will invite them in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: I would make the point that it is audited but not by the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: The Deputy can ask those questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: The Comptroller and Auditor General may be able to say.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 May 2015)

John McGuinness: There seems to be agreement that we invite them in and that we have the Department of Justice and Equality in on the same day. We will ask the clerk to act on that immediately.

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