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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Was this the Department of Education and Skills operating in 2010 on the outcome of a policy, or was it being driven partly by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: It was a joint venture.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: It was a joint venture.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: The Department of Education and Skills was driving and the Department of Finance was assisting. Is that right? When was the panel that set about the selection process formed? Who was on that panel?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Pat McLoughlin was the chair. What was his qualification?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: What organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: He is, therefore, pretty familiar with the Civil Service and public service. Who else is on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: He is another insider. Who else?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Another insider.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Three.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: That was their responsibility. By whom were they appointed?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: The Department of Education and Skills?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Did the Department of Finance or the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform agree with this at that time?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: What was this panel then told to do?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How was that call made? Was an ad put in the paper or did everyone just apply?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: They went through the various interviews and so on, leading to the appointment of the Dublin VEC, or whatever it was at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: There were, therefore, three insiders interviewing a group of insiders and they arrive at the final interview process. What analysis did the three insiders do in relation to what they believed was required of the applicant insider? What were they looking for?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú think they had in their mind that they were looking for a body with those qualifications and experience of dealing with X number of applicants, which may then be able to scale up to ten times that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Did they have an idea in their heads of just how much scaling up was necessary when they were dealing with Dublin VEC? Did they realise in their selection process that they needed someone to be able to scale up to a completely different level, perhaps with outside expertise, and in a short period of time?

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