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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The key issue for Mr. Griffin is that service users should complain. That is the only thing that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: On the national broadband plan, I am very concerned that we only have one entity involved. The lack of a competitive process is highly problematic. I appreciate that this is a bespoke process that we will not undertake a second time. However, the process has the same feel to it as that of the national children's hospital. What specific safeguards can be put in place to ensure delivery?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I am sorry but time is against us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Can I just-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That would be helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I have two final questions. First, is there a plan B? Second, some hotel or other business owners in parts of rural Ireland have stayed with their local provider, and with a system that is not the direct fixed fibre option, where that has been available to them. Has any review been done to ask people why they have done that as opposed to what is seen to be the better of the options, for...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. Why would they do that if there is a superior system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Might it be that the interaction between the business and a human being, for example, or a company is a preferable approach? Are there aspects like that that have been overlooked?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to return to the MANs. The Department has essentially fulfilled the role of the regulator because ComReg was not regulating prices. The Department got Norcontel to carry out an analysis and following that, the MANs concessionary contracts were extended. Then there was the Analysys Mason report. I cannot remember whether the report or the extension came first. Is it fair to say...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Was that not a failure or an oversight given some of the things that emerged in the Analysys Mason report and given the fact that ComReg has been asked to do work as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Then we are into the scenario where there was no tendering process. We went through that this morning. I have my views on it but that is neither here nor there. I will move on. I do not know if Mr. Mulligan can give us the information but he mentioned the connection cost being €100 per household, irrespective of where it is in the country. I do not dispute that everybody should...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: However, Mr. Mulligan will not be able to give that to us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The public spending code must be complied with when something is over the threshold of €20 million. Is it usual that a cost-benefit analysis would be commercially sensitive? Is this an unusual scenario in the context of the delivery of this network?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I certainly understand the Department does not want to drive up prices but wants to keep them down.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The Department is changing its approach as things change, for example, to reflect the number in the commercial sector-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to discuss the expected cost in 2015. I am reading from a report produced by Mr. Colm McCarthy, with which I am sure Mr. Griffin is familiar. The projected cost reflected a specified standard. Has the bandwidth changed since 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is that what the €500 million figure was benchmarked against?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We started off with 800,000 premises and are now down to 540,000. A chunk of them have been taken out by Imagine and Eir.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Why is the price going to increase when there are fewer premises involved? It just does not add up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Broadband Service Provision: Discussion (Resumed)
(28 Mar 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is almost a disadvantage that others have intervened.

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