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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask the secretariat to circulate to the committee the statement on internal financial controls that has been published as part of those accounts and we will look at it. There have been no payments through the accounts of the health repayments donations scheme since 2016. It must be nearly completed by now. It probably has to be kept open for a bit longer.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: There is no major activity. At this stage I propose we suspend for a few minutes while our witnesses in relation to the overview of public private partnerships take their seats. We are holding over the work programme discussion until next week because we want to get on with today's business.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: The report we are talking about will be launched next Wednesday. We do not yet have a time. As soon as we do we will send an email out to the members of the committee. The periodic report launch will be either next Wednesday morning or afternoon. The time will be noted by members as soon as practicable. Before the official launch, the final copy will be available in a room for 45 minutes...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will be focusing today on chapter 4 of the 2016 annual report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the overview of public private partnerships, PPPs. Throughout the year the committee has raised concerns about the amounts of money spent through public private partnerships, in the education and transport sectors in particular. In 2016 the figure for commitments to PPPs was...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General. I now invite Mr. Robert Watt, Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. Watt. Members have indicated in the following order: Deputies Burke, Cullinane, Kelly, Connolly and MacSharry. The first speaker has 20 minutes, the second speaker 15, and third and subsequent speakers ten minutes each. I will keep strictly to the time, and people will get an opportunity to come back in a second time. The term "public private partnership" has been used....

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is the full package.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Are there any design-build-operate-maintain contracts without finance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Of the order of €1 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Watt to give us a simple pen-picture. Most people would have thought a PPP included finance, but Mr. Watt is saying this is not necessarily the case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: However, the Irish Water and the local authorities ones were not-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Operation but not finance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Out of the €6 billion outstanding at the end of the year, then, how much is financed by the private sector and how much is financed by the Exchequer?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Irish Water.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I apologise to Deputy Burke for that. I just wanted to put that information on the record. Deputy Burke has 20 minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Watt cannot come in here and say, "I do not think." He should know the answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is black and white. Either the Department has published them or it has not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am being straight. We want to be precise here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Which ones have we received? I am sorry, Deputy Burke.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Which ones has this committee received? I mean the Committee of Public Accounts, which works on behalf of the people of Ireland through the national Parliament. What reports have we received, the national Parliament?

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