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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: So the 2013 payment was made to Mr. Frank Flannery directly.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: According to Ms Kerins's correspondence, Mr. Flannery took on this work on request. He was not lobbying for the work but took it on because he was asked to do so by Angela Kerins. Is that what happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am sure that all of the witnesses would appreciate that this was not at all appropriate, not least because Laragh Consulting was a busted flush by 2009. Am I right?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It does not appear so. It was so.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, it is not a matter of appearances.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It was dissolved in 2009. That is a statement of fact.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would Mr. Kerr not categorise that lack of awareness as lax? That was lax, was it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: The company was not doing its due diligence or its homework.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: What did the auditors say when Rehab discovered that this company had been dissolved since 2009? How was that news broken to the auditors?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: On the issue of lobbying, it has come to my attention thatirelandfirst.ie, was set up in January 2011. It is a lobby group composed of the great and good of Irish society and is concerned with political reform. Rehab registered the domain nameirelandfirst.ie. Were the witnesses aware of that? It is a matter of public record that the person who registered the name on behalf of Rehab was a...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It certainly is not. Can any board member explain it? I ask Mr. Kerr.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is it not odd that Ms Kerins would make a disclosure in respect of a company - I presume it is Complete Eco Solutions, which is the importation body with which Rehab was engaging - that had not yet been formed? I find that bizarre.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is from the company's records, which are publicly available.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: My first port of call is this document, a certified extract of a board meeting of the Rehab Group of 23 November 2009, which the witnesses distributed to us this morning. We have no explanation for that situation. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I understand all of that. According to the minutes, however, Ms Kerins advised the board that certain members of her family held shares in the company with which Mr. Horgan had been dealing.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is what the minutes reflect.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yet at that point Complete Eco Systems did not exist.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Now Mr. Kerr is.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is not on my say so - it is a matter of public record.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Either the board was misled, which is a possibility, or Mr. Horgan had been dealing and in communication with another company in which Ms Kerins's family - her brother and her husband - had dealings in respect of coffins. She is not here, so we cannot answer that question. When she is here, presumably she will answer that question. We have an extract from Rehab's audit committee meeting...

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