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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: The context is quite clear. Mr. Callinan said that matters-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Of course. I refer to when Mr. Callinan was talking about members of the Garda Síochána using the PAC as a platform. He went on to say that we should not discuss matters of such importance here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I see it differently. I think Mr. Callinan is the last person the matter should be discussed with and who should make adjudications on it. If it were a specific allegation against one person or one matter of discipline relating to the force then that would be fine but Mr. Callinan is aware of the scale of the problem. We will differ about the numbers. Mr. Callinan has referred to 10,000,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: It is 10,000 terminations in one year which is 300 a day. That is big amount.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: On a national basis as far as I can see 300 fines a day have been terminated. To me, that is systemic, whether Mr. Callinan likes it or not. If Mr. Callinan says that is unsuitable to be discussed here I suggest that it is perhaps unsuitable to be discussed by the Garda Síochána as well because the finger is being pointed at Mr. Callinan and Assistant Commissioner...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: The people who make such allegations are always very rare because they are fearful of their positions. I am not making any judgment I am putting the case to Mr. Callinan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I thank the Commissioner for coming in today. I ask him to expand on what he has just said. I have a feeling that we have a dialogue of the deaf going on here today. The Commissioner said that if anybody goes into the system in search of wrongdoing, that is absolutely wrong. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: This is important. The cheques from the people who attended the study days were made out to the CRC No. 3 account in Finglas and Mr. Conlan knows nothing about that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Conlan was the chief executive at the time. Who was on the line for this lost money?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: But Mr. Conlan did not know anything about it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: What if it did or does lose money? I do not believe all of these study days came off. Some of them did, such as the one in Porto.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Well, some guys went to Porto last year on 9 and 10 May, which was just before Mr. Conlan succeeded as chief executive. There were others planned. What was happening there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Who is on the line for it if there are more study days? Who is underwriting them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes, but was the CRC on the line for them before this? The cheques came in to the CRC. The CRC was managing it and managing the money. It was a CRC event. The plan was to travel all around Europe, for reasons which I do not understand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: The ESS had held three meetings thus far.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Conlan knows that and I know that and when the last meeting was held, but I do not know when the study days were held? I am suggesting that Mr. Conlan ought to know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: How much has it made?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: In total?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Where does the money go?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: So the CRC gets any profits?

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