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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Did Mr. O’Grady not think that was topical and look at it in advance of this session?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Will Mr. O’Grady find it and furnish it by the end of the meeting? It is a long session, as the Chair said, and we are breaking at 11 a.m., so maybe that information could be found. I referenced €32.5 million in administrative costs for the scheme between 2006 and 2020. This figure includes almost €4 million in legal and professional fees. Will the CEO confirm if...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The €32.5 million is only for the administration of what they were entitled to as per the legislation. For anybody who took a case who was outside those parameters, there is additional cost associated with that. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Can the CFO shed any light on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The Department does not have the number of cases, but does it have the figure for the cost of defence or litigation in relation to the scheme or to those who fall outside the scheme? Does it have a cost, at all, of any legal fees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I appreciate the witnesses have some figures. However, it is a pity, given the public comment and comment within the Houses of the Oireachtas on this issue and the fact it was given in the briefing in advance of today that it would be raised that they do not have the breakdown. Mr O’Grady said 13 in 2020. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I understand the Attorney General is preparing a memo for Cabinet on the legal strategy employed by the State, Department of Health and HSE to defend these claims, which is due to be published next week. It has been reported there are two substantive memos detailing legal strategy in this area, one from 2011 and another from 2017. I am conscious of the CEO's time spent in the role, but is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: In terms of the 2021 liability, €1.7 million was calculated for the health repayment scheme. The estimated provision for the repayment scheme was €1.7 million spent in 2021, while only €486 million of the estimated scheme cost of €1 billion has been spent to date. In December 2021, the figure was €486 million, which works out at an average of nearly...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Okay. I return to the applications to the scheme. There were 35,417 applicants and 20,302 claimants received payment. The witnesses have alluded to people outside the parameters of the legislation etc. Were any refused for reasons other than legislative? Was there a bulk reason for refusal based on certain criteria? Are the witnesses aware of any other criteria applied for refusals of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The CFO commented on the €1.7 million. The website states a few complex cases are still being processed. I understand those complex cases are being dealt with by the Department of Health since 2013. The HSE has no more hand, act or part in this scheme at all. It is all the Department of Health now. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Does the HSE have an average payout per the scheme for claimants? Every case is obviously different as per stay etc., but is this working out as an average per claimant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Okay.

Council Development Levies: Motion [Private Members] (1 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Deputy Joan Collins was going to share time with Deputy Fitzmaurice. She now has ten minutes herself. Is that correct?

Council Development Levies: Motion [Private Members] (1 Feb 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I thank the Deputy for that. Before we go to the Minister of State, I welcome the boys and girls from the primary school in the Gallery this morning. They are all very welcome to the House. There were a number of chuckles during the Deputy's contribution so I think there is agreement up there in the Gallery. I call the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan.

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (31 Jan 2023)

Cormac Devlin: The Taoiseach will be aware of the case of Bernard Phelan, an Irish citizen imprisoned in Iran. Bernard was born in Clonmel and raised in Blackrock, in my constituency of Dún Laoghaire. He was arrested on 3 October last year and is one of a number of European citizens being held in Iran. I understand that Bernard has cardiac and other medical conditions. His elderly father and his...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Engagement with the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (31 Jan 2023)

Cormac Devlin: I apologise for my delay in engaging with the witnesses. I welcome them back. It is good to engage again. I will focus on one specific area, namely, the inputting of one's own data on the various portals supplied by the utility companies. Has the CRU had any complaints about the effectiveness of some of the portals? Some of them appear to be down. I have got information into my office...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Engagement with the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (31 Jan 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Engagement with the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (31 Jan 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Engagement with the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (31 Jan 2023)

Cormac Devlin: This was a particular pinch point for obvious reasons in respect of the tariffs changing. I have since had queries, however, about these portals being down. There is the ESB Networks' portal as well, but regarding the suppliers themselves it is important these services are maintained. This is why I am asking the regulator about this. It is something the CRU seems to be aware of. What can...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Engagement with the Commission for Regulation of Utilities (31 Jan 2023)

Cormac Devlin: Yes. It is good to hear about the progress being made with the smart meters. It seems there has been quite a bit of progress made since our last engagement. It was projected that we would be around this point at this time, but it is good to hear concrete evidence that half, or more than half, of customers have availed of these smart meters. This is very good. I thank the witnesses again...

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