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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Deputy Catherine Murphy asked whether, if the boards are in deficit, they are signing off on them. However, there might be nothing to sign off on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Are we sticking with the third level sector?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is the HEA report on Waterford Institute of Technology, WIT, part of the correspondence? If not, can we deal with it now? I wish to make a point on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay. Where is the Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the University of Limerick, UL?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: No, there is one on UL.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I raised that point because at the second last or third last meeting we decided we would hold off on following up on some of the institutes and universities until the special reports are complete, because then we would have a report to work from. If they are there-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: The deficits have to be seen in the context of the size of the institutes and I can see where there are problems. Smaller institutes that have smaller numbers have big deficits, which shows that there is a bigger problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: The Accounting Officer and the chairman of the board from that ETB board have been before this committee. They were not in a position, to put it mildly, to answer questions but they did say they would come back to us once the report was finished. It is somewhat complicated by the fact that the report is now subject to a criminal investigation. That needs to run its course. There were...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is the Comptroller and Auditor General doing an examination of other ETBs?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: There is one issue arising from that, which I raised at the last meeting but we said we would hold it over. One of the issues at the heart of this report is procurement, the rules around procurement and the non-adherence to procurement rules. We touch on this aspect every week when this committee receives audited opinions from the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General. In some 50%...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Because of the lack of planning. It is a huge issue. There is no sanction in place whatsoever. There is frustration . I am aware there have been changes and the Comptroller and Auditor General has noted that. This committee comments on it and there has been some progress. Perhaps more cognisance is given by organisations than was given in the past, but it is still pretty much just a rap...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Can I get a response to the broader issue of procurement?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: There is a time factor involved in some of these issues. This was a report on a variety of issues but one of the substantial ones was the opening and reopening of Garda stations, which we gave a very good hearing here. It was quite obvious to this committee that decisions were being made to reopen certain Garda stations that did not chime with the priorities of senior gardaĆ­ on the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: The spin-offs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: May I beg the Chairman's indulgence for one second?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I have to leave for about a half an hour and do not want to miss the discussion on this issue. I have just asked the secretariat about the correspondence on the HEA report on Waterford Institute of Technology.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I want to discuss it today. It is not listed. It should have been, but, unfortunately, it is not. I want to make a point about it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: It is not on it for some reason.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes. I have raised this issue half a dozen limes. When we had Dr. Love here before us, he spoke to the committee in private session about this issue and explained some of the reasons the report had been delayed. I am beginning to get very frustrated because I do not think we can tolerate a situation where an independent report has been produced on institute of technology and simply because...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: It is a first on this committee for me. Many internal reports have been done and we have always got something back but this is the first time that an examination has been done and we have not got the report.

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