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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: In terms of the Department's involvement in the transfer of the €11 billion in assets and the annual transfer of €399 million, what accountability is provided in return? Is Mr. John McCarthy able to tell me how many have signed up for Irish Water and how much is being collected? Does his Department receive that information or does it get any accounting for the €399 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Some 30% have not registered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Is that the type of arrangement the Department enjoys with Irish Water? Every so often it receives a report. I asked how Irish Water accounts for its €399 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How is it claimable? What is the breakdown of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: When did the first invoices go out from Irish Water?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: When did the invoices go out to the customers of Irish Water?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We are now heading into July.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: And you have no idea what the response is.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Will Mr. McCarthy provide us with a copy of that information when he has it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: This money is being paid over, yet Mr. McCarthy does not have a forecast of how much will be paid to Irish Water, except that 70% of the potential customer base have responded and registered. Registration is one thing but collecting the money is another thing. Given that the bills went out in April, I would have expected, given that this is a new venture, that Irish Water would have at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Is there some section within Mr. McCarthy's Department that is overseeing this and has responsibility for it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Is the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform happy with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Does the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform keep an eye on them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I want to ask about the new system of local government which has been in place for 12 months now. Deputy Deasy touched on it earlier on. Has there been any feedback from local authorities?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Can I give you news from the front?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: My information, from dealing with councillors and officials at local level, and councillors of every political party, is that it is proving to be a bit of a disaster. Foremen within the county councils will say that they have still not sorted out their boundaries. There is a row over budgets. The urban centres that are associated, for example, Kilkenny city versus county, are not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: On what Deputy Perry said, nobody will support bad housekeeping by local authorities. They are expected to collect their rates, to do their business and get sorted out. We have had many other Departments in here, for example, the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, which did not collect their debt for years on end. They did not issue invoices and they had no leases. A focused...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: A solution should be born out of the Department's statement about improving the lives of people in the community.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I ask that both Departments consider the issues being raised by Deputy Perry and consider what further efforts can be made to resolve the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Mr. Heffernan and Mr. McCarthy should be aware that all I am hearing about from all over the country is the death knell for local democracy, transparency and accountability. It is outrageous and if it was a business, they would step in immediately and attempt to rescue it. We have abandoned not just transparency and accountability but also our traditions, our heritage and all that local...

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