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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: It will not allow me to answer it.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: It is off now. They have given up.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I welcome the Minister and his team. When will he respond to the IFAC assessment of budget 2019?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: It is a pity that response was not on the public record that we could digest it because I expect it will be much more detailed than the Minister's opening statement to the committee. It would have been more efficient had we seen some of that detailed response.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: My point was just about timing. The Minister has heard about IFAC's critique from other colleagues. There are no two ways about it, that IFAC has taken off its gloves on 2019. Other members have commented on how it says it is not conducive to prudent economic and budgetary management, how it is not consistent with prudent budgetary management, that medium budgetary plans are not credible...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: The report does not simply single out health in medium-term budgetary plans. It gives a full graph and highlights every one that the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council believes lacks credibility. It is very clear. It states: Aside from some allowances for demographics, and a ramp-up in public investment, departmental ceilings are largely flat for later years. This implies implausibly large...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Does the Minister stand by the fact that under his proposals as outlined, expenditure as a percentage of GNI* will fall by 2.5% between 2019 and 2023? That is a dramatic decrease in expenditure in this State. It is not credible. Everyone in this room knows that this is not credible. It will not happen.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: That is the point-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I do not know about a better flow-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I appreciate that and will move onto another point on which the Minister may pick up at the end. The figures the Minister is presenting for the latter three years have no value to this committee or to external people looking in because they are not credible because, as the Minister says, he will not reduce expenditure by 2.5%. Why then present them in the first place? He still has the...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: That was not the question I asked. I asked whether the advice given is similar to that given by IFAC.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Of course the Minister's officials give him advice.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: I spoke about sustainable resources.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: That is not true.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: That is not true.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister should look at the Finance Bill.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Can the Minister answer-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: Can I ask the Chair-----

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister does not want to answer the question as to whether any of his officials raised the same concerns I have. He prides himself in being able to answer questions.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Fiscal Assessment Report: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (16 Jan 2019)

Pearse Doherty: It is obvious that the Minister's officials had the same concerns.

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