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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: He is another insider. Who else?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Another insider.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Three.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: That was their responsibility. By whom were they appointed?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: The Department of Education and Skills?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Did the Department of Finance or the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform agree with this at that time?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: What was this panel then told to do?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How was that call made? Was an ad put in the paper or did everyone just apply?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: They went through the various interviews and so on, leading to the appointment of the Dublin VEC, or whatever it was at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: There were, therefore, three insiders interviewing a group of insiders and they arrive at the final interview process. What analysis did the three insiders do in relation to what they believed was required of the applicant insider? What were they looking for?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú think they had in their mind that they were looking for a body with those qualifications and experience of dealing with X number of applicants, which may then be able to scale up to ten times that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Did they have an idea in their heads of just how much scaling up was necessary when they were dealing with Dublin VEC? Did they realise in their selection process that they needed someone to be able to scale up to a completely different level, perhaps with outside expertise, and in a short period of time?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: If they stepped out of line, the Department would have called them back into line pretty quickly.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: The Department had the ability to do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We will go to the insider being interviewed by the insider. What was Dublin VEC's business plan? What did it envision happening? Did Ms Stewart realise when she went into the interview that she was looking at a process that was way beyond the numbers Dublin VEC was dealing with and was she satisfied in that interview that it could do that job?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I know what was to happen. I am asking Ms Stewart what she thought she could do in front of that interview board relative to the job at hand. Had she the information in her head as to what might be the figures and what might have been asked of her in terms of that job?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: The Dublin VEC was interested and it was confident at that stage that it had all the wherewithal.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: That is fine. That is important for the interview.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: He is a public servant all his life, nearly, and he retired from the public service.

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