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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: We will move on to the second Fianna Fáil speaker, Deputy Devlin, who has cúig nóiméad.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: We are awaiting some replies to questions from Deputy Catherine Murphy whenever the witnesses in the other room are able to provide them. In the interim, we will continue with Deputy Verona Murphy. We will return to Deputy Catherine Murphy's questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, Mr. Paul Reid wishes to make a point.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I ask the witness to answer briefly, as we are out of time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I thank Dr. O'Reardon. At this point, I will bring in our remote witnesses, Mr. Stephen Mulvany and Mr. Ultan Hynes, to answer questions asked by Deputy Catherine Murphy earlier. I hope we have the audio connection now. I ask the witnesses to try to keep their answers concise and defined.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Murphy wish to make a further comment?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Munster has joined us. She is very welcome.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: We cannot hear Mr. Hynes due to audio issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy has gone over time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: We have gone over time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I ask that the HSE and the Department reply to Deputy Munster's final two questions in writing.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: With respect to Deputy Munster, I have to be fair to the rest of the members present. I ask that those two questions be replied to in writing, by the HSE and the Department's Secretary General. I call Deputy McAuliffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: The quality of the sound from the other room is very poor.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: The connection is not good enough. We would like Mr. Hynes to physically join the meeting in this committee room.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Hynes for that reply. Deputy McAuliffe had asked questions, so we will move back two or three minutes because there were difficulties hearing the replies.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: We have about six or seven minutes left. I have some questions regarding-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: Yes, but very briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I request that a written reply be sent to the Deputy. Regarding the costs of private-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Nursing Homes Support Scheme: Discussion (1 Oct 2020)

Brian Stanley: I have some questions on private nursing homes and the cost differential. Reference was made to geography. There is also the issue of staffing ratios. I ask the witnesses to keep their answers concise. The staff-to-patient ratio in the public nursing homes with which I am familiar is higher than that in private nursing homes. Does Mr. Reid believe the level of care is also a factor? I...