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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: They have been told that is what we intend to do. Whether the letter sent to us by the Department limits that to beyond what we believe the limits are is another matter. We will deal with this during the next part of the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We now move to documents relating to today's meeting. Nos. 3C.1 to 3C.6 are briefing documents and opening statements relating to today's meeting, to be noted and published. We now move to reports, statements and accounts received since our meeting on 28 May. Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General would like to comment on some of the outcomes arising in this regard.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: In regard to NAMA, the committee has received a number of pieces of correspondence on NAMA, one of which was received only this week and is due for circulation tomorrow and relates to complaints from an individual regarding a lack of engagement, feelings of being bullied and difficulties around organising meetings to try to resolve issues. We discussed similar complaints from another...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: It escapes their attention because they do not seem to bother.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: If such an agency or section dealt with non-competitive procurement in the private sector and it did not function after six months, it would probably be fired.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: If I were getting taxpayers' money, I might not do as much. The fact of the matter is it is being paid to look after taxpayers' money and is not doing so. Every week some agency or another comes before the committee which is not complying with procurement. We also have issues such as that raised by Deputy Connaughton this morning with regard to €436,000. No one seems to cry stop....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We will.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I do not want to go into a full debate because we must move on. We are caught for time.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We will take a note on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We will ask the Comptroller and Auditor General, the clerk and the liaison officer to put together that work and include in that the last meetings with the groups that made submissions and any progress that was made. We agreed the work programme the last day and had intended to finalise reports. However, due to the clerk not being available, we will postpone that until next week. Is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes, it is being completed. We have two reports to publish which we were to do this week. Unfortunately, as I said, due to the death of the clerk’s mother, we will postpone these. The docklands report will be completed immediately after that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We can do that for next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Arising from that meeting, members were asked to give some names to the clerk and a meeting would be arranged thereafter, depending on who may have wanted to come forward. We will deal with that next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We had agreed to invite the committee in. Again, we will just have to check that next week with the clerk. Our next meeting has been agreed as part of our work programme, so we will now turn to today’s business and call in the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Before we begin, I again remind members, witnesses and those in the Visitors Gallery to turn off all mobile telephones as the interference from them affects the sound quality and broadcast transmission of the meeting. Witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give to the committee. If they are directed by it to cease giving evidence on a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I also welcome Ms Jacinta Stewart, chief executive officer, City of Dublin Education and Training Board, and invite her to introduce her officials.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I also welcome Mr. John Burke from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. I invite the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I call on Ms Stewart to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I thank Ms Stewart. Can we publish both statements, please? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Will you go through those again? There was insourcing.

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