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Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions: Vacant Properties (15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: I thank the Minister of State for the clarification and as I said, I congratulate Dublin City Council on the way it is approaching it. The issue in my constituency is not necessarily that of voids but of delivery. On the last count, 3,047 homes in my constituency are being built under Housing for All. All are public homes on public land. These are projects the Opposition not only voted...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: There are a number of small issues I want to deal with. I will continue Deputy Dillon's line of questioning regarding immigration. For reasons to do with our history, we probably have never seen the significant numbers we have seen in the past number of years and we have probably never had the full public debate on the issue of immigration that we see in many other countries. Sometimes...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: When Ms McPhillips says refused entry, does she mean at the airport?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: So 7,600 people attended Dublin Airport and were refused entry to the country.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Is that 4,968 out of the 7,600?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: So the figure was-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: When somebody is refused leave to land, what happens to them next?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Is that done by the DAA or the Department of Justice?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: So it is done within the airport-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: One would imagine that if somebody was deliberately destroying their passport with the intention of claiming asylum under a new application name or for whatever reason, that is the next step. They will claim asylum. Of the 5,800 who were refused leave to land, how many went on to claim asylum?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: The vast majority, then.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: There is a belief among the public that if a person has a travel document to get on and off a plane, a question arises as to how he or she can present without that document. I am trying to tease that out. Of the 5,800, 4,700 went on to claim asylum. Once people claim asylum, my understanding is that they are fingerprinted, photographed and their details are referenced against-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Exactly. Does it matter then if such persons destroy their passports? If a person is fleeing as a result of crime they committed somewhere in the world, arrives here in Dublin, destroys their passport and claims asylum; they will be fingerprinted and that will be referenced against Eurodac.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: So the false identity was for the purposes of transit from one airport to another. That is interesting. Of the individuals referenced against Eurodac, how many referrals come back with details of significant criminal convictions?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Have sought asylum elsewhere.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: I am interested in cases where, during the asylum process, it is identified that someone has either committed a crime or has somehow escaped a jurisdiction to try to evade justice. Are the numbers in that regard small?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Does Ms McPhillips know what they might be?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
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(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: That is my next question. If someone has presented false documents and has a conviction or is the subject of an open warrant, they can be refused. I just wanted to parse that out, because this is one of the biggest concerns.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: It is well known that if somebody is seeking asylum, they are less likely to commit a crime because they will be brought to the attention of the police. If I was making an application for asylum, I would be the most law-abiding citizen I could be because I would not want to attract the attention of the police. There is a question regarding the airlines. Regardless of whether someone...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: I may come back to that in a later round of questions. On the previous occasion our guests were before the committee, I pushed very heavily on the roll-out of the north inner city drug and alcohol task force. I welcome the announcement this week that John Costello is going to chair the implementation board in Ballymun. The witnesses will know that my next question is going to be about...

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