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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: No, we discussed this only at the last meeting. No. 1164 is correspondence from myself enclosing an internal audit report on the subject of the activation and family support programme carried out by the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. I was very concerned about the content of the report and I propose that we write to the Department for a detailed note on what actions...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will put the Deputy's suggestion about historical cases into the letter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: It took tremendous perseverance on the part of the individual concerned. A former district justice carried out the report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: He was justified in his perseverance. The next item is No. 1166, from Deputy Catherine Murphy on Garda compensation payments. We will hold that over because the Deputy is not here today. She has proposed that we write to the Garda Commissioner for further information on the costs of, and a breakdown of the figures for, legal advice and to explain the notable differences between the amounts...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask the secretariat to supply the information to the Deputy. If she is satisfied, that is fine but if she wants further information we will agree to write for that. The next item of correspondence is No. 1167 from Mr. Brendan Ryan, CEO of the Courts Service, of 9 March on an independent review by Mazars regarding the wards of court financial transaction of February 2018. I thank...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: In the first instance we will write to the HSE for a copy of this report because we have only seen the media report on it. Based on our previous experience with Console, I expect we will get a copy of it but that it will be sent to us on a confidential basis and will not be for publication. To explain to people watching why that is the case, a report carried out by internal auditors is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We often get glimpses of internal audit reports and I have mixed views on the quality of some. Some are great on specific detail but miss the elephant in the room, which is a phrase I have used before. How many internal audit reports are there? Perhaps the committee should, as a matter of form, ask bodies appearing before it on an annual basis for the schedules of internal audit reports....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Although we do not have time to read every internal audit report, it would be useful for us to have the schedule or the listing. Whether they did 20, 30 or 40, we should have the list of which were done------

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: ------because we have never had that information.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: For now, we will seek a copy of that report from the HSE and discuss it further when it is received. Representatives of the HSE will appear before the committee before the summer is out in any event. The next item is No. 1169 from David Begg, chairperson of the Pensions Authority, enclosing a note requested by the committee on the CIÉ pension scheme for regular wages staff. We note...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: A similar issue. It is not the same but it is similar. I do not think this correspondence was sent by the individual who was previously in contact with us on this issue. There is a significant document-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Can we hold it over until the next meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I would like to read and consider it before the next meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: If that is the case, members need to read it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will that form part of Mr. McCarthy's annual report?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: In any event, we will hold the document over. It is substantial and if members read it we will be able to have a more detailed discussion on it at the next meeting and then decide what action to take, if we wish to take action. The next item is No. 1175 from an individual in regard to AIB and his treatment in respect of his tracker mortgage. We have not circulated the item as it contains...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Did we deal------

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: It got away from us. That is the 2016------

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will note the clear audit opinion that is laid before the Oireachtas. The next item is the Legal Aid Board. There is a clear audit opinion but the board incurred material expenditure where the relevant goods and services were not procured by way of competitive process. Here we go again.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: The version laid before the Oireachtas is not the version that the Comptroller and Auditor General certified.

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