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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is from the company's records, which are publicly available.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: My first port of call is this document, a certified extract of a board meeting of the Rehab Group of 23 November 2009, which the witnesses distributed to us this morning. We have no explanation for that situation. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I understand all of that. According to the minutes, however, Ms Kerins advised the board that certain members of her family held shares in the company with which Mr. Horgan had been dealing.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is what the minutes reflect.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yet at that point Complete Eco Systems did not exist.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Now Mr. Kerr is.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is not on my say so - it is a matter of public record.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Either the board was misled, which is a possibility, or Mr. Horgan had been dealing and in communication with another company in which Ms Kerins's family - her brother and her husband - had dealings in respect of coffins. She is not here, so we cannot answer that question. When she is here, presumably she will answer that question. We have an extract from Rehab's audit committee meeting...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: In February 2010, Complete Eco Solutions was established and three months old. Ms Kerins had almost pre-emptively set out her family involvement in it. However, there is no mention in the minutes of a disclosure of Mr. Flannery's interest in the company.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. Hogan consider this to be an important fact of which Rehab should have been made aware?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was Mr. Flannery on the board of directors of any of Rehab's subsidiary companies in 2009 or 2010?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I appreciate that, but what of the subsidiary boards?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: From memory, which boards?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. Poole. Given the fact that he occupied directorships on Rehab's subsidiaries, we can take it that Rehab ought to have been informed of his interest in Complete Eco Solutions.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Hogan is aware that the company had three directors - Mr. Flannery, Ms Kerins's brother and her husband. Sin é.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I appreciate that from the minutes, but I put it to Mr. Hogan that his information was incomplete and that he was unaware of Mr. Flannery's interest in the company. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will move on to a note Rehab has supplied on a board meeting held on 25 March 2010, a month later. It tells us that Ms Kerins stepped out of the meeting. By this point, an order had been placed, the first shipment was due and a website was to be set up. Mr. Poole asked whether the supplier was approached to reduce prices in light of the changed market conditions, etc. To complete the...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was there a second shipment?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Were the total moneys paid over to Complete Eco Solutions for that shipment €70,000?

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