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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How immature would Mr. Breslin say the approximate approach was?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of one step removed and having a board to deliver, if Mr. Breslin were to go back and redo this again, would he go the same route?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There are significant additional medical facilities that will be constructed into the future. In terms of expertise within the Department, is it appropriate to beef that up? What recommendations would Mr. Breslin make in terms of learning from this with regard to capital projects? Should there be something in a more centralised format?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Given the amount we are spending on consultants, having that expertise might be very good value. Mr. Breslin is the Accounting Officer and is responsible-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Regarding Mr. Breslin's responsibility, does the structure of having a board do this work? Does that compromise that responsibility? Is it sufficient that the chairperson has the responsibility for reporting to Mr. Breslin if he or she is asked to?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Was that the case with the hospital board?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: But was it the case?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Was it the case that Mr. Breslin was satisfied all along?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When was Mr. Breslin no longer satisfied?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: So it was very late in the day.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is really ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to pick up again on the way the project was constructed. A number of issues arise when there are cost overruns and they are well teased out by expert opinion in Ireland and elsewhere. Poor design that has not been thought out, change orders, administration and how a site is run, etc. all come into it. In terms of the design, what the board did was make a guesstimate on the...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Quinn was responsible for signing off on it and thinking it through with the help of expertise. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Quinn has specific expertise on the board. He came from the public service and is acutely aware of the finite amount of money available for the hospital project. Would it have gone ahead if it had been twice the original price? Does Mr. Quinn accept that the lack of nailed-down detail was a critical component and that he had a particular responsibility on the board to provide advice on it?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What did Mr. Quinn do to mitigate the cost, given that it was so novel for a major project in the public service?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That was without having a detailed design at tender stage.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I actually want to pursue it with Mr. Quinn.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I asked Mr. Quinn a specific question based on his being there at the time. I would like to hear from him on the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The detailed design was not nailed down. Without it, the board went to tender.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How could Mr. Quinn be advised by the design team when it did not have the detail? It made a general assessment of the number of rooms in the hospital but without the details in respect of one being a theatre, one being a bedroom, etc.

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