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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking about that. We will talk about resources if we have to. We might be able to help with that. In principle, given what we are hearing now, given the scale of this funding, given the direct responsibility of the Secretary General, who is the official Accounting Officer, for want of a better phrase, does the witness think that would be a better or stronger process than what we...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I know Mr O'Brien cannot answer this definitively, but does he suspect that there are many more organisations that have serious questions relating to appropriation of funds, compliance or anything like that across the section 38 and section 39 organisations?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: It would be foolhardy, I agree. However, we need to get to a space where the witness is absolutely confident that everything possible, whether through the auditing process or the information flow within the organisation, is pulling out all the issues as much as is absolutely possible in this space.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: It is quite obvious there will be various different stages of the Committee of Public Accounts looking at aspects of this into the future, given the scale of it. We have asked for various documentation. I have no doubt the witnesses will supply that. I am not suggesting anything, but it would be helpful as a group, and there is a serious group here, if collectively as a management team - I...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: No, on issues relating to section 38 and section 39 organisations. In other words, is there any other correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Shudder away. I will narrow it down for the witness so he does not find it comical - any issues raised between the organisations or to the organisations of a concern relating to how funds are appropriated. That narrows it down.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: From 2005 to now.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: No.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I will tell the witness what we will do. When we are in private session afterwards we will discuss that question and come back with a timeframe.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Basically, if anyone has raised any issues relating to organisations, we must make sure they were followed up. Does the witness believe we would be discussing this today if the "Prime Time" programme had not taken place?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I have a question for the representative from the Department of Health. When issues were raised about Console, why did the Department not notify the HSE? The witness said earlier that there was no evidence of correspondence to the HSE. That is a factual statement. Why was there none?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I know that. Why?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I just have a request for documentation before I conclude. Earlier Mr. O'Brien said that given the volume of audits that the HSE carries out - just under 1,000 - the process is to release them under freedom of information. Is it correct that they are not on the website?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: How can we seek the audits if we do not know the organisations that have been audited? Is there a list of organisations that have been audited so we can request them?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Is the list of organisations on the HSE website for the public?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: How can one ask for audits that one does not know have been done?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Yes, but there are thousands of organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am sure they will.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Specifically, Ms McGrath indicated earlier that the OPW wanted to manage its resources and the number of pilots. It is not credible to say that there is no piece of paper which outlines Nos. 1 to 4.

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